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arista 16-03-2023 02:51 PM

NHS strike action, 4 days from 11 April.
 
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[Fresh NHS strikes by several unions
have been paused after the
government put an extra £2.5 billion
on the table to fund a pay rise for
thousands of healthcare staff.

A government spokesperson
said: "The government... have completed
negotiations and reached a final offer.]


https://news.sky.com/story/nhs-strik...offer-12835466

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64977269

arista 17-03-2023 12:41 AM

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arista 17-03-2023 12:47 AM

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user104658 17-03-2023 07:32 AM

It's a terrible deal. In Scotland they got 12.5% over two years with a large chunk backdated, and lower bands got nearer 20%. Even the middle bands got nearer 15%.

5% is a real-terms pay cut below the rate of inflation. Beginning of the end for The NHS in England.

joeysteele 17-03-2023 07:44 AM

It seems on paper a poor deal really.
I agree with SB.

They deserve much better than this.
What assurances too have been given now as to staffing and the conditions too.

I fear the staff themselves are likely to accept this but must be left in the main, feeling badly let down overall.

Zizu 17-03-2023 07:51 AM

I wonder what that CASH lump sum amounts to ??


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Cherie 17-03-2023 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11273074)
I wonder what that CASH lump sum amounts to ??


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1250.00

trivial

Zizu 17-03-2023 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11273102)
1250.00

trivial


To everyone or pro rata based on number of years service or hours per week worked or something ?


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arista 17-03-2023 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11273109)
To everyone or pro rata based on number of years service or hours per week worked or something ?


Yes, all workers get that one-off payment

Zizu 17-03-2023 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11273173)
Yes, all workers get that one-off payment


Ahhh


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user104658 17-03-2023 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11273109)
To everyone or pro rata based on number of years service or hours per week worked or something ?


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Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11273173)
Yes, all workers get that one-off payment

It will be a flat amount for all full time staff but I would imagine definitely pro-rata.

Cherie 17-03-2023 12:26 PM

Apparently it will be rejected

arista 17-03-2023 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11273201)
Apparently it will be rejected

Yes,
many are demanding more

Cherie 17-03-2023 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11273207)
Yes,
many are demanding more

well when you compare it to what the bus drivers, barristers, and firefighters got, it is an insult tbf

user104658 17-03-2023 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11273201)
Apparently it will be rejected

It'll go to a union members' vote so there's no way to know really.

user104658 17-03-2023 01:27 PM

Realistically accepting less than 8% would be a disaster and even that would have to come with a commitment to another raise of similar in 2024. There's no point in any of this if they then turn around and offer 1% next year.

MTVN 17-03-2023 01:42 PM

Well the lump sum will equate to effectively being another 3-4% salary rise for most staff

Inflation is supposed to fall to 3% by the end of the year so reality is you're unlikely to get a pay offer much exceeding that from next year

arista 17-03-2023 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11273217)
It'll go to a union members' vote so there's no way to know really.

Yes the lump sum

Possibly, could help it win the vote

joeysteele 17-03-2023 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11273219)
Realistically accepting less than 8% would be a disaster and even that would have to come with a commitment to another raise of similar in 2024. There's no point in any of this if they then turn around and offer 1% next year.

Yes.
Rather than the lump sum, which is a one off payment only.

Had they upgraded the current years salary by a further whatever % going forward.

Then put the 5% rise for 2024/25 on top of that .
This would make more sense.

As it is they are getting a one off only payment with no change to the current salary rates.
So the 5% is only on top of this years old salary rate.

Meaning in effect a continued pay cut.

user104658 17-03-2023 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11273228)
Yes the lump sum

Possibly, could help it win the vote

Exactly. People are currently desperate for a boost and will cave for what is essentially a bribe.

Cherie 17-03-2023 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11273217)
It'll go to a union members' vote so there's no way to know really.

The mood music is that it will be rejected

Zizu 17-03-2023 02:34 PM

We need a different approach to negotiations ..

I choose violence :)

( Game of Thrones reference - 1 min 37 secs)

https://youtu.be/tt_gPXpx0eo


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user104658 17-03-2023 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11273245)
We need a different approach to negotiations ..

I choose violence :)

( Game of Thrones reference - 1 min 37 secs)

https://youtu.be/tt_gPXpx0eo


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Sadly there are going to be plenty of deaths, because a proper NHS with skilled staff is going to become a thing of the past, so it'll either be an "OK for those who can afford it" system or just a shadow of the NHS staffed by unskilled minimum wage workers. It's been proven time and again that deskilling the NHS = more patient deaths. And refusing to pay a fair salary is going to result in a skills drain very quickly.


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