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Originally Posted by JerseyWins

So you agree that uniforms can have a psychological effect that triggers a person’s anxiety/depression but not how it could do the same for someone in a normal psychological state as well?

I agreed it could do both. But I also said, anything could.

Or are we going to shield kids, wrap them up in cotton wool, say yes to everything they want to do, not allow them to do something that might initially be uncomfortable just on the off chance they're psychologically "triggered"?

I know Americans have the stereotype of popping off to the shrink's office at the slightest thing, but IMO that would be ridiculous.

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Everyone is not exactly the same psychologically sound. In your mind if someone finds any of the psychological problems with uniforms, it only means they have some kind of anxiety or condition that it’s triggering? Even so if it’s only a potential issue for someone with anxiety why have we implemented something that still CAN effect these kids negatively.

Are they not? Thanks for the lesson, I didn't know that.

It's a wonder kids leave home with all these ifs and buts. The world is a scary place.

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

And yes I believe freedom principles, for kids or otherwise, are a lot more common, widespread & adamant about around here in the US so it could just be differing mindsets within different countries. (Not everyone is against uniforms here though but it’s a lot more common than I see in this thread and typically the uniforms are a private school thing, not public schools)

So, now it's about freedom rights?

Again, how will they cope in the actual real world where everybody else doesn't pander to their wants, especially in time that is not their own personal time?

That's all it is, pandering. You can use "possible, if, maybe, psychological effects" as an excuse all you want. But, again, that could apply to anything and is not such a direct link that it's a valid argument against uniforms.

They could, possibly, maybe have ill psychological effects from any mundane aspect of life.

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

An intruder can easily blend in with the group just by knowing the uniform policy for the school and teachers & supervisors are always keyed in on the uniforms, not the faces and identities that belong to the school.

Erm, no, no they're not.

But is this supposed to be against uniforms? Because this example you use is actually worse and more dangerous with kids wearing anything they choose, something different everyday. An intruder just has to walk in if your example is true, wearing anything they want.

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Re: Cherie’s post (I assume Kaz quoted it from pages back as I can’t find the post to quote it )

- Easier/quicker in the morning... what happens when part of the uniform is misplaced in the morning? Uniform(s) being prepared for the wash accidentally forgotten about? Hell, these uniforms in plenty cases require more articles of clothing than the typical wardrobe. Is it really saving much difference-making time overall and is there not also a downside that loses time?

That could literally apply to anything.
If someone is so unorganised they've misplaced clothing, or forgot to wash it then they will do that no matter what the clothes are.

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Again, being from America it may be a difference of opinion here but to me and many Americans’ beliefs, there should be some kind of very quality, progressive benefit to limit one’s freedom in ANY way, as major or minor as it is. Does it actually improve a student’s learning, atmosphere, etc.? When you look more carefully at uniforms’ supposed “benefits” I don’t believe it does.

Well, with that ridiculous mindset forcing children to attend school at all is limiting their freedom. But that's why they're kids. They don't have 100% autonomy on 100% of their lives. They have parents, guardians who are responsible for them until they come of age for a reason.