[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Funnily enough it would actually be a path to solving the sports problem; just tier the sports leagues as male and female rather than men and women. Though then you do run into a whole host of other problems when it comes to hormone replacement (transmen need a lot of HRT that is banned in female sorts for obvious reasons, and transwomen who have been taking female hormones will, frankly, very quickly become unable to compete with men, including transmen).

Its already male and female though in reality, so that doesn't need to be changed. Its just semantics to say its split by 'gender' because sometimes men and women is used instead. I actually don't see any situation where a 'gender' segregation would ever be needed? Given gender is a very personal thing, and totally internal also.

Honestly, its not the best answer, but all I can think of is a seperate 'league' or whatever for people who are trans. I believe its generally accepted that transwomen would still have an advantage over transmen, because the advantage is caused by male puberty more than the actual current levels of hormones, but that would be a bit more of an even playing field. Which is..well one of the reasons its unfair to have transwomen competing with women even if they lower testosterone to 0. There could be issues with takeup, not many trans athletes, but given the amount of transwomen seemingly wanting into female sports these days, it seems there is definitely some demand, and with proper advertisement or whatever, it could take off. I would actually watch it but maybe not for the right 'reasons' as I would be intruiged to see if the transmen did actually do well against transwomen. As its the whole puberty v testosterone argument in action really. Could get more studies from that option too, and maybe reevaluate options in the future based on results. Non binary people might feel more comfortable with this option also, rather than having to put themselves in male or female, though of course, some do also acknowledge their sex so might be fine in the 'binary' categories, but the option would be there for them anyway. (mind, even with that there could be potential issues. As a non binary male person who is not on medication, would absolutely wipe out everyone else generally speaking)

Besides that, the answer is to have the female category. And change the male one to 'open'. In reality, no man will be disadvataged by a transwoman, or a transman competing with him. But it would mean they still can compete. I think men might find that unfair though, even though its not 'actually unfair' if that makes sense. It would sound unfair if only females got their own sport, though men competing with transwomen and transmen, are not going to be at any disadvantage. With an open category, the few women who think 'males do not have a sporting advantage, the females should just work harder!' and such would also get their chance to prove this, and race against men. They can train themselves up as much as they like and take their chances.

Theres no answer that would please everyone, and thats part of the problem. But the answer certainly is NOT what current activists (and stonewall) are shouting for right now, which is to make female sport unfair/unsafe for females, in order to try and make another group happy, when there is loads of evidence that it IS unsafe and unfair, its not just an opinion. Its fact. I mean, even without all the recent studies and such that prove what most already knew, why did we have segrgeated sport to start with, if there are not any differences?

Said I wouldn't post anymore, however, the thread seems relatively calm now compared to how others have gone, and sport has been something I have been looking into for a while. And even after that while, the above is all I can think of to 'even the playing field' so to speak. It IS a difficult convo. I just really despise how the default option always seems to be the one that disadvantages women. And then ontop of this, women are told to shut up, stop being bigoted and accept it else they are big meanies. This is the case regardless of how said woman puts her point across. Oddly, men seem able to talk on this topic without being attacked, even when the men talking are actually using transphobic language and such. Its..odd to see.

(Not saying the men on here are using transphobic language. Speaking more generally here. Women are attacked for mentioning anything on the topic. Men can literally use transphobic slurs and be largely ignored)