[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Shasown

And that is probably the biggest flaw in your argument, at 13-16 you may feel mature, legally you cant work to support your offspring, you have to rely on others. your body be be capable of having young, its not recommended, one of the biggest causes of cervical cancer is overdoing sex at too early an age. As for being emotionally capable of having sex and coping with the result of that decision,

While sex is fun at any age (after puberty of course) there are a lot of potential repercussions even adults dont understand till later life.

While it may be true people are maturing earlier in life physically and mentally they are also supposedly under more pressure at school etc. Do they also need the added stress o being responsible for another life.

Another point to consider is that this kind of implant indirectly helps contribute to rising STD rates. With people deciding not to use a parallel barrier form of contraceptive to prevent spread of sexually transmissable diseases.

Interesting, fair points. Thank you for at least being able to counter argue unlike some other members who abstain and simply bypass points...

Regarding the potential causes of cervical cancers - well that's an interesting one. Because as detrimental as that obviously is, I also believe it's an individuals choice as to how much they protect themselves from illness, disease and death. For example...if someone wishes to refrain from going on diets, and doesn't mind if they get fat, accepts the consequences and doesn't mind if perhaps they die young...that's their choice. Whilst other people may not act in the same way, that person is still entitled to value their life in their own particular way. So as such I believe the same applies here - and maybe then this sort of information should also be added to sex education so that it's another consequence children and young adults could take on board.

Not quite sure where I stand on your second point. It's a stress, yes, but again the potential stresses is something that should also be added to sex education lessons - and then as such people can decide whether or not they wish to take on those potential stresses. Of course that doesn't mean they'll understand how stressful it may be, so actually, that's quite a valid point you've made there.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Parts in bold above...What was that you just accused Niamh of....and then displayed your very own version of being precisely what you accused her of doing!! LOL.

Not really, considering you did a lot of patronising towards me in the other thread anyway, so I guess I could bring up the same point?

I was just pointing out that I'm perfectly capable of counter arguing properly, and if someone makes reasoned, valid points I'm also perfectly capable of stepping back and realising that perhaps my points have some flaws in them, instead of just bypassing points and attempting to quit the argument...some don't have those capabilities.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

No need to rephrase Jack. You tripped yourself up, now you're trying to dig yourself out of the hole you dug yourself into. It's not up to the 'grandparents' .... you were very clear in what you said: it is the responsibility of the teen parent.

Or perhaps, just perhaps...you were being your usual pedantic self? As for 'digging myself out of a hole' - well, no, considering I've taken some of Shasown's let's say...more reasoned, coherent points on board and accepted that they do in some ways undermine my points. So once again, you're wrong.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Why should anyone else be burdened with a child that is not their own - they shouldn't be - which is the whole basis of the discussion.

If the parents are willing to take on the child - then that is their decision.