[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Again...you completely missed one of the points I made. Yes, it might be illegal. But that's open to discussion and varies around the world. That doesn't necessarily make it right, it's a matter of opinion.

As for your last point...I'm actually in agreement with you. I have to surround myself with many 12/13 year olds every single day, and I often discuss and joke with both friends and teachers about how irritating they are, and how a fair few of them believe that they know everything.

But this is the problem and the massive stereotype young people face - that they are incapable of understanding and are simply just awful members of society. But that's not right at all. I know many 13 year olds that are very intelligent, know right from wrong, and are far, far, far more mature than say some 17 year olds...who can be the complete opposite. That includes physical maturity as well. It's simply not a case of 'all under 13's are ignorant, immature, poorly educated morons', as with people of all ages and from all walks of life...those types of people appear everywhere, it's not something that applies to everyone. Again, it's an individual thing, not a collective thing, no matter how much we all assume and perhaps joke about it.

There's no need to be rude and quite patronising because I've made some points that you disagree with...





Fair enough then, if you're going to be pedantic - I cannot have meant 'you', and so I apologise (see...like I said in the other thread, this is something I'm capable of doing).

Let me rephrase it. If you have a child, it is your responsibility to ensure that it is provided for in some way, an example being whether or not you pass the 'burden' onto your parents.

Parts in bold above...What was that you just accused Niamh of....and then displayed your very own version of being precisely what you accused her of doing!! LOL.

No need to rephrase Jack. You tripped yourself up, now you're trying to dig yourself out of the hole you dug yourself into. It's not up to the 'grandparents' .... you were very clear in what you said: it is the responsibility of the teen parent.

Why should anyone else be burdened with a child that is not their own - they shouldn't be - which is the whole basis of the discussion.