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Originally Posted by joeysteele
Hi Kirklancaster, I just want to say although I don't always agree with you I did really enjoy your post,a lot of info there and I was pleased to hear of your role during the Miners strike times too.
I think to be fair on a couple of things.
Labour will find it hard to win over great numbers after the problems at the end of the last Labour govt.
In fact it is hard for any party after going out of office to be voted back after only one term in opposition because that trust again is withheld,even though the mood has softened.
I too would have had no time for Tony Blair,which is why I am pleased with the direction Ed Miliband is taking labour now overall, not totally.
However, I do not think it is only the left who push forward their agenda as to the EU and immigration, I think in fact, the right, from this govt. those with power and influence and then the media particularly give a totally distorted presentation of the EU and immigration with their prejudiced agenda.
So much so,that I believe for the ordinary voter, there will be no chance at all of a straightforward informative and fair debate possible as to the EU and immigration.
I also think this present disaster of a PM with his procrastination as to the EU and immigration and indeed failure as to all his targets for immigration are dangerous for the UK.
This man has talked for the last 2+ years as to the EU and settling the issue.
He has let it ride for that time and then would take a further 2+ years to do some re-negotiations,(if we ever hear what they are),or even if he himself even knows what he will re-negotiate anyway.
Then he talks of a referendum sometime by the end of his next 3rd year of govt.
He talks a lot but does nothing in the main and the uncertainty of all that time as to our future in the EU and as to immigration,all that probably brings to the UK is really big confusion and instability in my view.
I am not a leftie by the way,I hate the term.
I was a strong Conservative from a Conservative voting background but whereas you turned to the Conservatives from your experiences of the past.
I have from all I have seen over these last few years,as to the persecution and heartlessness showed to the weakest,poorest and most vulnerable in the UK by this govt;I have turned,heavily too,from the Conservatives.
I do not think anyone vulnerable in the 21st century in a so called decent society should be brought down the way this govt. has done so as to them over the last near 5 years now.
There is nothing at all for those who are vulnerable in the present Conservative party led by David Cameron,a man who is now obsessed almost in following the agenda laid out by UKIP to win votes.
Since this thread is about UKIP really,therein lies another question and answer for me.
Those most vulnerable in the UK have no hope of anything better, or indeed anything at all from UKIP, so despite the smiles and joviality from Nigel Farage,he is someone I would likely trust less than David Cameron and that really isn't saying anything from me as to either of them.
I do love your posts however and respect your views.
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I 100% disagree with your last paragraph. the nhs is better under this tory government, despite the disastrous economy labour left. labour are still obsessed with unions , quangos and cover ups. thats exactly what happened to the nhs and the disgraceful events of stafford hospital must NEVER EVER be forgotten. labour would never truly investigate their own unions and expose them. too many votes. so you end up with russian style cover ups. minus the plutonium, but the end results are just as deadly. its interesting to note under new labour as the government jobs/state grew out of control yet again and the waste did too....yet fewer people were sacked and fewer people were employed in investigating mistakes or with the ombudsman which fell apart
the disabled people will have a far better chance under this government. why? because the disabled keep their benefits and have them increased, the lazy workshy fops who scrounge off the state and refuse to work are being weeded out thankfully. there are millions of them , healthy often young people. the economy is miles stronger under the tories which in turn has put an extra million into work and brought the unemployment rate down to its lowest level in 6 years and growth at a record high. yes the figures are always doctored but measured on the same basis as under new labout, the tories have done infinitely better on the economy already.
however.....manufacturing industrial jobs should be top priority....better paid jobs should be a top priority. increasing minimum wage would be a big mistake as it will raise unemployment and inflation. the working tax credits system shouldbe simplified to encourage more to work and it should also be simplified with regards to housing benefits so people dont feel the fear of losing their rented homes
new labour created division, they festered the poltics of envy....they created the fakest shallowest society weve ever seen, with endless petty new laws invading every civil liberty...to such an extent that free speech no longer exists, conversation is bannned...anyone who even questions the prevailing thinking is cast out as a racist a sexist or bigot...whata dreadfully unhealthy state of mind...whilst all this politically correct drivel carried on unabataed by substandard politicians and journalists too scared to dare question it all......... we were preaching endlessly on minute petty political cirrect matters on race and religion..meanwhile we were bombing the hell out of these very same cultures and religions overseas? .a society was created purely about image and spin and buzzwords...as long as you were agood person on paper and no liability fell on your lap then all is fine...
actually being a good person was irrelevant, in fact it became frowned upon as strange, maverick and most such people got marginalized or ostracized, such as tony benn for example...mocked by new labour and their spin doctors as a dinasaur ...dinosaur my ass? he was a genuine and greta man who dared speak from the heart eloquently, decently and intelligently...beneath the expensive waste and gimmicks, vanity projects and illegal wars. I believe the last government was the worst in british history. the rich poor divide became wider than since the days of charles dickens. society became far far more broken up than even under thatcherism and whatever was left was broken up and handed to europe and the fragmented farce of devolution abnd endless more layers of burocracy, waste, civil service.... new labour totally corrupted britain from within