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Originally Posted by kirklancaster
So you are in favour then of forcing by law, all the Synagogues and Mosques in the UK to MARRY gay people? Sincere Good Luck with that.
I couldn't really care less about whether Gays want to get married, order cakes specially dedicated with 'Pro Gay Marriage' motifs, or whether extremist Christians have a 'legal' right to refuse such requests. What I am totally bewildered by (though not surprised) is why this nonsense has been, and is being, blown up out of all proportion.
You write that; "No one doing nothing illegal, should be made to feel wrong or segregated for their feelings or relationships by anyone" - Yet does this NOT also include the business owner?
Are they not now as we speak being made to 'feel wrong' and 'being segregated for their feelings' and religious convictions'?
As 'The Truth' says, some hitherto ordinary decent, law-abiding business owners are now even receiving death threats and being ostracised for being compelled to adhere to their faith.
I would advocate a simple solution in which Fundamentalist Christian business owners erect signs stating (in nice polite terms) their beliefs, and apologising for not being able to cater for X, Y & Z . but I believe this would only lay them open to 1933 type "Judenboykott" and all the ensuing hatred which follows.
I have stated many times that I believe that the 'Law is the Law' and that it cannot be 'cherry picked, bent, twisted or re-shaped to suit our own personal prejudices and whims, so if it is current law that Christian Fundamentalist business owners MUST accept orders from anyone in spite of any conflict with 'religious' convictions, then they must do so, until such time as they suceed in having such a law democratically rescinded.
I have a deep uncomfortable feeling though, that this matter is just another example of a very real and sinister 'anti-Christian' movement in this country - borne surreptitiously by parties who have no other agenda than to destroy Christianity in this country, and usurp it.
I defy anyone on here to explain just why Christianity - the most peaceful of all religions - is the recipient of more vitriol than any other religion?
Christian Fundamentalists may wrongly be electing not to bake cakes for Gays, but they are NOT throwing them off the roofs of 12 storey buildings, and Gay people CAN take their business elsewhere.
What should be a trivial matter is being used to make political capital by sinister parties.
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Churches are not a business Kirk, really.
You were on about cake shop owners and people in business serving the public.
Churches are the biggest of hypocrites anyway in my view, I am a Roman Catholic,I love still the mass and especially the Easter services, that however is not a business.
I can go to Church or not go to church,I don't give custom to a church,I am member of a Church not a customer.
All my post was on about was people operating a business open to the public, my response again to you was to the cake shop scenario.
That is a business, Churches, Mosques and Synagogues are places of 'worship' not 'shops' and other businesses.
The hypocrisy of the churches however are that they will happily take direct debits,collection plate money, donations from gay people and gay couples in relationships too, and then would segregate same from certain sacramental elements of the Church/Faith.
I myself think that totally wrong in the 21st century,however unfortunately legislation would be very unwise to force a change, although in my view it could be the right thing to do.
As again back now to people in business, that will involve the gathering of custom from UK citizens, so no, they should not be allowed to discriminate and refuse service on those grounds of personal faith.
Not so long ago, in my faith, holydays had to be strictly observed,such as good friday, Easter sunday and certain Saints days.
Now,(and not because of other religions from around the world),that doesn't matter as to business, Christians have to work sundays, and any other so called holydays,they have to put aside their personal religious views to be employed.
The same should apply to people in business.
They should have to put aside their religious personal views to 'serve' all the public from the business they choose themselves to go into and set up.