[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No, not for me, if someone is in business, a public business where they want the custom of the public,then that is what they should provide, for all.
If they cannot, they should not be allowed to disciminate agains any people who are not and have not done anything illegal.

They have their rights to their views personally, not to push them down others throats in a business intended to attract custom from the UK citizenship,no way.

Better not to have such people in business in the first place if they would so firmly 'force' their views on others and discriminate.
The public have the right to choose where they take their custom, unless someone has threatened a business owner or their staff,all businessess wanting the publics custom should serve whoever approaches them.

No one doing nothing illegal, should be made to feel wrong or segregated for their feelings or relationships by anyone, in business or even otherwise.
Any legal protection, in this instance, should be for the potential customers,not some apparantly bigoted business people.

So you are in favour then of forcing by law, all the Synagogues and Mosques in the UK to MARRY gay people? Sincere Good Luck with that.

I couldn't really care less about whether Gays want to get married, order cakes specially dedicated with 'Pro Gay Marriage' motifs, or whether extremist Christians have a 'legal' right to refuse such requests. What I am totally bewildered by (though not surprised) is why this nonsense has been, and is being, blown up out of all proportion.

You write that; "No one doing nothing illegal, should be made to feel wrong or segregated for their feelings or relationships by anyone" - Yet does this NOT also include the business owner?

Are they not now as we speak being made to 'feel wrong' and 'being segregated for their feelings' and religious convictions'?

As 'The Truth' says, some hitherto ordinary decent, law-abiding business owners are now even receiving death threats and being ostracised for being compelled to adhere to their faith.

I would advocate a simple solution in which Fundamentalist Christian business owners erect signs stating (in nice polite terms) their beliefs, and apologising for not being able to cater for X, Y & Z . but I believe this would only lay them open to 1933 type "Judenboykott" and all the ensuing hatred which follows.

I have stated many times that I believe that the 'Law is the Law' and that it cannot be 'cherry picked, bent, twisted or re-shaped to suit our own personal prejudices and whims, so if it is current law that Christian Fundamentalist business owners MUST accept orders from anyone in spite of any conflict with 'religious' convictions, then they must do so, until such time as they suceed in having such a law democratically rescinded.

I have a deep uncomfortable feeling though, that this matter is just another example of a very real and sinister 'anti-Christian' movement in this country - borne surreptitiously by parties who have no other agenda than to destroy Christianity in this country, and usurp it.

I defy anyone on here to explain just why Christianity - the most peaceful of all religions - is the recipient of more vitriol than any other religion?

Christian Fundamentalists may wrongly be electing not to bake cakes for Gays, but they are NOT throwing them off the roofs of 12 storey buildings, and Gay people CAN take their business elsewhere.

What should be a trivial matter is being used to make political capital by sinister parties.