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Originally Posted by kirklancaster
Sorry, but I can't accept this as it's a complete and utter reversal of the true status quo - it is the Left Wing on here who in the main arrogantly presume that their views are the absolute truth and who either 'gang up' to 'shout down' any opposing views, or ignore posts which expose their views as wrong only to then post those same fallacious views on other threads.
The EU DID irrefutably see the first light of day as a a plan by defeated Nazis to conquer Europe economically, and the UK subscribed to the EU on terms which were wholly unfavourable to the UK but covertly favourable to a succession of treacherous bastards like Ted Heath who took us into this madness for their own mercenary and greedy reasons.
There are NO genuine benefits to our being in the EU or staying in the EU and NO WAY that we can ever recoup the trillions of pounds which being in the EU has cost the tax payers of this country during our 40 years of that unmitigated disaster of a membership.
Is there a business or investment scheme which any SANE person would subscribe to after suffering increasing financial losses year in year out for 40 years?
Is there even a business or investment scheme which would STILL BE IN BUSINESS after suffering such increasing losses year in year out?
Like the corruptly run Nationalised Industries before it, and like EVERY inept UK Government there has ever been, and like every corrupt and inept Council and Public Sector body this country has ever seen, the EU survives because the horrific results of corruption and waste and inept fiscal practices, are easily lessened because the huge holes in the balance sheets are not so instantly observable when we are talking trillions of pounds of PUBLIC MONEY - that never-ending well which the corrupt and greedy can perpetually return to, and when in addition the fabulously wealthy corporations, businessmen and bent political figures who DO GAIN from our membership of the EU at the expense of the UK, ALL OWN AND CONTROL the vast PRO-EU propaganda machines which took us in and have kept us in despite the TRUTH BEING OUT THERE, and DESPITE the warnings of honourable, TRUTHFUL men like NIGEL FARAGE who that same propaganda machine has constantly lied about and ridiculed and continues to do so.
The EU is unique in that it is the ultimate example of disgustingly greedy Capitalists BLATANTLY employing a perverse form of Communism to increase their own personal wealth and that of their upper social class at the expense and to the detriment of the lower classes:
'From each regardless of his means to each according to his greed'
THESE GUYS are the ONES BENEFITING from the EU NOT US. THEY get the GRANTS and KICKBACKS and we PAY the BILLIONS PER YEAR COSTS AND STAND THE FINANCIAL LOSSES which enable this situation to continue.
40 years of unmitigated failure, corruption, wasteful mismanagement, and negative annual balance sheets amounting to trillions of pounds in losses to the UK.
The Common Agriculture Policy with its subsidies to the wrong people, the butter and cheese mountains and wine and milk lakes which have KEPT the PRICE OF OUR FOOD three times HIGHER than it SHOULD have been for that 40 years, the decimation of our Fishing Industry, the loss of our Sovereignty, Our control of our Judicial System, Borders etc etc etc.
It's PURE MADNESS.
After 40 years, now, all of a sudden - after Farage had woken up some of the slumbering populace who had overfed on all the pro-EU propaganda - Cameron is going to negotiate better this and that and shet Marigolds.
It's BS.
Even the "three million jobs will go if we exit the EU" claim which treacherous lying ***** like Clegg keeps spouting as gospel is a false premise and a lie. The very authors of the report which that claim is MISQUOTED from have repeatedly and publicly DENIED that that's what they said or meant.
They actually said that "3 million jobs could be dependent upon our export market." - with NO MENTION OF THE COMMON MARKET.
Get us out.
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With respect Kirk you have hammered people against UKIPs stance as being left wing militants,in a generalised way, you are not the only one but in doing so you do insult people of that persuasion.
I respect the right of anyone to support who they please, I have said many times on here, I think it a disgrace that UKIP could get 3,800,000 votes and only 1 seat.
I have also, over the last months noted the worth of some of UKIPs social policies, such as scrapping the bedroom tax and ending ATOS style re-assessments of the sick and disabled.
My moan with UKIP is the big ones unfortunately, the EU and immigration.
You slam down anything I say, others too, its not for me to say who, just for their views which like you, they are entitled to hold too.
I wasn't on here for the last election and I am sad that I was on for this one, since I have come to alter how I think of some I really respected.
You were one, however, I am not going to accept being generalised as a left wing militant,so since that has only come from UKIP supporters,I will stand against it.
All those statistics you quote are fine but if we wanted to, they could be presented another way that could back most of our arguments too.
Statistics say what the people quoting them or gathering them want them to say.
Anyway,you are not having me say,I don't like UKIPs stance on issues or the way the message I stated came across.
You then go straight into the left wing attack on here with the word arrogant added in too, as in relation to my post and my words.
You and I have had some good chats on here and not so good ones,however I am fed up of this left wing prejudice you portray against me and others in a generalised sense on here and in relation to my posts too.
In fact, you know what, I am fed up of here totally anyway and am sick of being got at.
I have really had all I am going to take from you and 2 others on here now, really had it beyond the level of tolerance now.
Needless to say, I disagree with most of what your post outlines anyway too,I won't however use any terminology of what side of politics is right or wrong as to the statements.
I stand by my view, that no party is always right and none always wrong either, it is for people to choose and they should not be belittled,got at or insulted as I and others have been just for having a view that is different to yours and others who sympathise with UKIP.
That all used to be against the rules, it seems it isn't any longer, so maybe I have now been on here too long.
I am not however taking any more of it.