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Originally Posted by joeysteele

This is what turns me off UKIP, the rhetoric as to anything they and their supporters don't like or want as being the absolute truth and all that matters.
Everyone else wrong, only they being right, in their view.

The hard extreme of dismissing everything anyone else says that challenges the UKIP viewpoint,usually with nasty put downs and unnecessary personal insults too.

Had Labour won the election, it would have done a lot I would have not liked,a lot I would and I would have criticised anything I didn't like.
I have never, and still don't believe only one party has the answers to everything.

As to immigration and this topic as to it today, we all knew the immigration figures when this govt. came to power,it was falling when this govt' came to power too.
It was this PM who said he was going to get it down to tens of thousands.
in 5 years,no ifs,no buts.

It has considerably gone up under his watch,no one elses,almost back to the levels Labour were hammered for it reaching, still he gets no blame.
He cannot in fact do anything about it really,UKIP cannot either, unless we are out of the EU.
Thankfully now businesses are getting behind the staying in side, coming out won't happen and really immigration will just have to be tolerated in the main by all parties under the EU guidelines to same.

Sorry, but I can't accept this as it's a complete and utter reversal of the true status quo - it is the Left Wing on here who in the main arrogantly presume that their views are the absolute truth and who either 'gang up' to 'shout down' any opposing views, or ignore posts which expose their views as wrong only to then post those same fallacious views on other threads.

The EU DID irrefutably see the first light of day as a a plan by defeated Nazis to conquer Europe economically, and the UK subscribed to the EU on terms which were wholly unfavourable to the UK but covertly favourable to a succession of treacherous bastards like Ted Heath who took us into this madness for their own mercenary and greedy reasons.

There are NO genuine benefits to our being in the EU or staying in the EU and NO WAY that we can ever recoup the trillions of pounds which being in the EU has cost the tax payers of this country during our 40 years of that unmitigated disaster of a membership.

Is there a business or investment scheme which any SANE person would subscribe to after suffering increasing financial losses year in year out for 40 years?

Is there even a business or investment scheme which would STILL BE IN BUSINESS after suffering such increasing losses year in year out?

Like the corruptly run Nationalised Industries before it, and like EVERY inept UK Government there has ever been, and like every corrupt and inept Council and Public Sector body this country has ever seen, the EU survives because the horrific results of corruption and waste and inept fiscal practices, are easily lessened because the huge holes in the balance sheets are not so instantly observable when we are talking trillions of pounds of PUBLIC MONEY - that never-ending well which the corrupt and greedy can perpetually return to, and when in addition the fabulously wealthy corporations, businessmen and bent political figures who DO GAIN from our membership of the EU at the expense of the UK, ALL OWN AND CONTROL the vast PRO-EU propaganda machines which took us in and have kept us in despite the TRUTH BEING OUT THERE, and DESPITE the warnings of honourable, TRUTHFUL men like NIGEL FARAGE who that same propaganda machine has constantly lied about and ridiculed and continues to do so.

The EU is unique in that it is the ultimate example of disgustingly greedy Capitalists BLATANTLY employing a perverse form of Communism to increase their own personal wealth and that of their upper social class at the expense and to the detriment of the lower classes:

'From each regardless of his means to each according to his greed'

THESE GUYS are the ONES BENEFITING from the EU NOT US. THEY get the GRANTS and KICKBACKS and we PAY the BILLIONS PER YEAR COSTS AND STAND THE FINANCIAL LOSSES which enable this situation to continue.

40 years of unmitigated failure, corruption, wasteful mismanagement, and negative annual balance sheets amounting to trillions of pounds in losses to the UK.

The Common Agriculture Policy with its subsidies to the wrong people, the butter and cheese mountains and wine and milk lakes which have KEPT the PRICE OF OUR FOOD three times HIGHER than it SHOULD have been for that 40 years, the decimation of our Fishing Industry, the loss of our Sovereignty, Our control of our Judicial System, Borders etc etc etc.

It's PURE MADNESS.

After 40 years, now, all of a sudden - after Farage had woken up some of the slumbering populace who had overfed on all the pro-EU propaganda - Cameron is going to negotiate better this and that and shet Marigolds.

It's BS.

Even the "three million jobs will go if we exit the EU" claim which treacherous lying ***** like Clegg keeps spouting as gospel is a false premise and a lie. The very authors of the report which that claim is MISQUOTED from have repeatedly and publicly DENIED that that's what they said or meant.

They actually said that "3 million jobs could be dependent upon our export market." - with NO MENTION OF THE COMMON MARKET.

Get us out.