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Originally Posted by Today

Joel like most of the hm's is treated the programme as one extended interview for his Jeremy Kyle style role he's mapped out for himself. He seems to wish to combine this with a future in the conservative party as a back up for when he gets de-selected in the event he ever does get elected.
What the housemates problem is that they know he is manipulative but they simply cannot articulate well enough in an argument to demonstrate this.
There is one simple reason for this, because Joel controls the narrative of any discussion he is involved in and chooses those he will debate with very carefully. He restricts the conversations to his comfort zone which is rarely shared by any other hm, when the conversation strays outwith his boundary he skilfully returns it by uttering one of his simple stock statements, "but what you said earlier/yesterday/last week" "So what you are saying is" "so that's not the real issue for you" etc.
They know it's happening but are not recognising it when it does. That is their problem.
With one exception, Harry! He rarely engages her because she sees it coming and that is dangerous for him and risks exposure.
Jack has also sussed him out but is unable to combat this hence his outing of him both to his face and to the group. Jack blew his cover but was unable to deliver the killer blow so planted the seed with other housemates who eventually all twigged that what he was saying had merit.

Excellent 1st post

Completely agree