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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed
Cameron has certainly led the way when it comes to the TTIP and he's going to continue that push if we leave the EU but his position is going to be rocky because we, the citizens we will have far more influence in Westminster than we do in Europe.
Voting to remain in the EU is giving consent to the TTIP without any democratic scrutiny whatsoever. Voting for Brexit will at least ensure the TTIP undergoes democratic scrutiny through both Houses.
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...but, we have in place in parliament a law that states any new treaties have to be put to the UK voters before they can be ratified by the PM of a UK govt.
This may well have to be put to the voters again if it is deemed new substantial change.
It is not even sure to be made of the EU set up and if as you say, other Nations are complaining then it is unlikely to get the consent of the other EU nations of who, all 27 if we leave or 28 if we say will have to agree to.
Are you that sure we will have that much scrutiny with being out, if this is deemed an issue from the EU that needs to be put to the voters before our govt can agree to ratify it,how will being out help.
There will be no need if out of the EU, for our govt to then ask the voters their opinion on it.
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If' it is ever accepted as part of the EU system and in the unlikely event then even gets the ratification of all the nations of the EU, how if we were out may we not be affected by it for certain.
Do you really believe,particularly with this present govt and indeed even Tony Blair's Labour one, that the voters feel we have influence there that much.
I certainly don't, just my thinking but this govt particularly rarely listens to anyone.
I would myself rather take the chance with this having to come to the voters in the UK again
IF, and I stress if, the EU comes to any firm agreement on it for it to be put to all the nations of the EU,which would mean it would likely come to the voters of the UK in a referendum.
Outside the EU,then Westminster, if it was possible to be part of this, no way would the UK govt then ask the voters of the UK anything about it,there would be no need to.
If there are so many issues as to it now, it may never even become part of anything as to the EU in the end despite the lengthy negotiations anyway.
If they cannot get things better as to it.