I'll watch those on my break, thanks CeeCee. Yeah i read about the shoe lace but I also read that, the boys had mixed shoe laces binding them, so it may not have been his own shoe lace that he was bound with and that also all the boys spent time in eachothers houses so it could just have stuck to him at anytime when he was walking round the house or whatever? Also, apparently Pam didn't start accusing Terry of being involved until they were in the middle of a bitter divorce, I read also that she accused him of sexually abusing their daughter but the daughter (who doesn't really get on with Terry) says she doesn't ever remember anything like that happening :/ As for the eye witnesses, they came forward years later too apparently and it contradicts another witness who says they saw the boys alone at that time in another place