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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And you believe the American government doesn't lie? that Trump doesn't lie?

America lied to us when it said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. It didn’t invade Iraq and dispose of Hussein because it was misled, it invaded because of ‘American ideology’ and it was prepared to sacrifice thousands of NATO soldiers as well as kill over a 100,000 Iraqis before turning Iraq into a chaotic dust bowl.
The same happened with Iran in 1953, in Afghanistan in 2001, in Asia, Cuba, Puerto Rico the Philippines Africa, Libya and Vietnam. These CIA military attempts to overthrow governments are endless.

Initially I think they did believe those weapons were there. The fact that inspectors were given the run around by the regime didn't help. We can point to historic events from all countries to the beginning of time but that doesn't make it particularly relevant to the conversation at hand.

Trumps lies are endless, the U.S government lies are endless and ‘Western Civilization’ fully support those lies and every lie the US uses is duplicated throughout Europe, Australia and Canada. Then here we all are shouting, kill the fnckers, nuke the bvstards.

We can't blame Trump's administration for any of the above. What lies exactly do you know he has told?

Yes, yes, lets all believe the propaganda hype against him too! though what he's got to do with this topic is somewhat baffling.

I found it amusing to add Corbyn, another unpopular leader who won't go.

We are the invaders, not Russia.

Good for you if you believe their innocence. I'm not so convinced by state run news.

America and its allies have been flexing its muscles over Muslim rule for far too long and all it causes is, political instability and terrorist blowback. I condemn imperialism and that’s exactly what this is.

Well it is a mysogionistic religion and where it is involved in the political control of a country it usually leads to the oppression of the people therein, particularly the women who have few rights. It also seems to lead to dictatorships.

How can America claim its safeguarding liberty when it approves illegal torture, commits war crimes and created mass genocide in Libya, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen and Syria. This is about empire building… ‘divide and rule’ and forgive me, but I'm no cheer leader.

In an ideal world America and it's allies shouldn't have to police it. But we aren't in an ideal world. What's the alternative?