[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm fairly certain I know who I believe and it's not the guy who has been bombing his own people for several years because he won't let go of power. The chemical stuff is horrible but those barrel bombs are pretty loathsome too. And let's face it, Russia always lies. It's never them who were involved in an innocent airliner being blown out of the sky, the annexation of an independent people, or the bombing of civilians. I've a little more faith in the west who often actually admit when they are wrong or make a mistake.

And you believe the American government doesn't lie? that Trump doesn't lie?

America lied to us when it said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. It didn’t invade Iraq and dispose of Hussein because it was misled, it invaded because of ‘American ideology’ and it was prepared to sacrifice thousands of NATO soldiers as well as kill over a 100,000 Iraqis before turning Iraq into a chaotic dust bowl.
The same happened with Iran in 1953, in Afghanistan in 2001, in Asia, Cuba, Puerto Rico the Philippines Africa, Libya and Vietnam. These CIA military attempts to overthrow governments are endless.

Trumps lies are endless, the U.S government lies are endless and ‘Western Civilization’ fully support those lies and every lie the US uses is duplicated throughout Europe, Australia and Canada. Then here we all are shouting, kill the fnckers, nuke the bvstards.

Hmmm maybe we should watch Corbyn far closer than we are.

Yes, yes, lets all believe the propaganda hype against him too! though what he's got to do with this topic is somewhat baffling.

I think the US are flexing their muscles to send a message to a few leaders of the world who have started to think they are running things and can do what they like without any culpability. I don't believe anyone wins a war but I think the US are currently speaking the only language the likes of Putin, Assad, and North Korea understand. That's a tragedy all round but so is good men doing nothing and bystanding while people suffer. Let's hope against hope that a little flexing of US might will reign them in. The alternative is unthinkable.

We are the invaders, not Russia.

America and its allies have been flexing its muscles over Muslim rule for far too long and all it causes is, political instability and terrorist blowback. I condemn imperialism and that’s exactly what this is.

How can America claim its safeguarding liberty when it approves illegal torture, commits war crimes and created mass genocide in Libya, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen and Syria. This is about empire building… ‘divide and rule’ and forgive me, but I'm no cheer leader.