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Old 05-01-2018, 05:09 PM #1
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No biggie just an oopsie-daisy again like some of the comments said on TiBB I think if India did not go on and on about 'the op/the change' people would not keep being reminded she was a man I don't think there was any maliciousness in the mistake
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tbf not one of them on the couch reacted when Ann did it last night, I don't think anyone noticed
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tbf not one of them on the couch reacted when Ann did it last night, I don't think anyone noticed
They wouldn't. People don't tend to actually give a crap about pronouns. That seems to be an internet phenomenon more than anything else.
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They wouldn't. People don't tend to actually give a crap about pronouns. That seems to be an internet phenomenon more than anything else.
Yes but India will be very insecure about it as most trans people are. When you’ve fought so hard and for so long to be your true self and then someone drags you back to that place you were before you would get annoyed, especially if they do it repeatedly. It’s like a power thing and although I know nobody is misgendering India on purpose it takes away India’s power.
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Poor Amanda It's such a difficult situation because it's so easy to slip up, but at the same time depending on how sensitive someone is it can feel so hurtful to have it happen. As difficult as it might be for her though India needs to accept that it will sometimes happen, accept the apology, and move on from it and not try and make the person making the mistake feel like sh*t. It's really disappointing after she handled that first misgendering situation so well, although I suppose being in the BB house for a few days will heighten emotions etc. I just hope she's not reacting like this for the cameras and using her trans status for a sympathy vote because that would be a big insult to trans people.
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Poor Amanda It's such a difficult situation because it's so easy to slip up, but at the same time depending on how sensitive someone is it can feel so hurtful to have it happen. As difficult as it might be for her though India needs to accept that it will sometimes happen, accept the apology, and move on from it and not try and make the person making the mistake feel like sh*t. It's really disappointing after she handled that first misgendering situation so well, although I suppose being in the BB house for a few days will heighten emotions etc. I just hope she's not reacting like this for the cameras and using her trans status for a sympathy vote because that would be a big insult to trans people.
Thats definitely how its coming across to me. It seems like India is fairly happy for these 'misgendering' instances as it gives her a chance to be all 'I am a real woman, say it again' speechy and (in her mind) cement the sympathy vote and maybe win the whole thing. Of course this may be an unfair criticism...I won't know until we see more of India...just kind of seems this way. India appears to have little to offer other than the trans aspect of their personality. When surely...there is more to India than that. So far, does not seem that way though. Self centred, and obsessed with identity issues. Constantly talking about their life as a man, but then throwing a wobbler when someone else misgenders after days of hearing about how India is/was male

I actually think India would be delighted for an instance of genuine transphobia to capitalize on. Which India may well get with this Dapper dude going in.
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Meh. If India is talking about their transition all of the time as it seems, then it will be in the back of peoples minds that India is actually male. For most people, language is a universal thing. And He is used when speaking about male people. Hence 'mistakes'. I cannot get myself too worked up about 'misgendering'. Have been called sir myself before and the world did not end.

I think I would use them/they instead tbh. I already try to do that, that way you cannot really make a mistake. Even though I find them/they a weird pronoun to use for a singular person.
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Meh. If India is talking about their transition all of the time as it seems, then it will be in the back of peoples minds that India is actually male. For most people, language is a universal thing. And He is used when speaking about male people. Hence 'mistakes'. I cannot get myself too worked up about 'misgendering'. Have been called sir myself before and the world did not end.

I think I would use them/they instead tbh. I already try to do that, that way you cannot really make a mistake. Even though I find them/they a weird pronoun to use for a singular person.
It's really weird to read as well

It seems like you're talking about India the country lmao
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Meh. If India is talking about their transition all of the time as it seems, then it will be in the back of peoples minds that India is actually male For most people, language is a universal thing. And He is used when speaking about male people. Hence 'mistakes'. I cannot get myself too worked up about 'misgendering'. Have been called sir myself before and the world did not end.

I think I would use them/they instead tbh. I already try to do that, that way you cannot really make a mistake. Even though I find them/they a weird pronoun to use for a singular person.
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Theres going to be such a fuss made over this. And the 3x 'I am a real woman!' crap (Whats meant by 'real' in this context?)...India is clearly going to try for the sympathy vote by this conversation. Unfortunately for India, India is not actually very likeable and does come across as very self centred and Indias style of arguing leaves something to be desired. So sympathy vote will not be forthcoming I don't think..

Cannot wait for the drag queen guy to go in now.

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Theres going to be such a fuss made over this. And the 3x 'I am a real woman!' crap (Whats meant by 'real' in this context?)...India is clearly going to try for the sympathy vote by this conversation. Unfortunately for India, India is not actually very likeable and does come across as very self centred and Indias style of arguing leaves something to be desired.

Cannot wait for the drag queen guy to go in now.
Why can’t you wait for Courtney to go in, because you think she will confront India? I actually think Courtney and India will get along because Courtney will be someone who can understand her as she has transgender friends as long as India doesn’t push her away.
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Why can’t you wait for Courtney to go in, because you think she will confront India? I actually think Courtney and India will get along because Courtney will be someone who can understand her as she has transgender friends as long as India doesn’t push her away.
I think it will be interesting, knowing Indias views on drag queens, and from what I have read about this Courtney (never watched drag race so never heard of him) he will stand his ground when India inevitably attacks him.
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Ive got 2 daughters and regularly call them by the others name, they don't stamp their feet like a petulant,demanding child . India needs to learn to get respect in this world you have to earn it,if she thinks because she had her meat and 2 veg off she has to be treat with kid gloves and the people who have paid for this vanity based op are not going to pass judgement on her,she's going to get a lot of wake up calls
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Theres going to be such a fuss made over this. And the 3x 'I am a real woman!' crap (Whats meant by 'real' in this context?)...India is clearly going to try for the sympathy vote by this conversation. Unfortunately for India, India is not actually very likeable and does come across as very self centred and Indias style of arguing leaves something to be desired. So sympathy vote will not be forthcoming I don't think..

Cannot wait for the drag queen guy to go in now.
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No malice is meant by it but I understand what India says, a simple "oh i'm so sorry genuinely" from Amanda would've cleared the situation though...
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FFS get the attention seeking cow out of that house ,who does she think she is that people have to walk on eggshells around her while she demands special treatment ?.....Get over yourself


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"Ashley come on- sorry not Ashley, India"

"You've just misnamed her"

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WELP that was an awkward watch.
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Only Maggie, Jess and Ashley haven't misgendered her now. No wonder she's excited for the men to come in!
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When did Malika misgender her?
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I forgot she was there for a moment!
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Okay to be fair to India there is only women in the house so how hard is it to just reference EVERYBODY as a “she” its not that hard. The only reason I can think you would misgender someone is if you knew them as a man/woman before they transitioned and therefore find it difficult to adjust but they all met India as India and so I just can’t grasp how they keep making the same mistake?

But then, if India is getting misgendered a lot now I dread to think what the guys are going to be like, Dapper will probably do it on purpose and I can see India walking.
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