[Crimson Dynamo]

The U.S. Supreme Court allowed President Donald Trump to begin
building the wall on the U.S.-Mexico border using emergency funds, lifting an
injunction Friday that had been imposed by a district court in California and
upheld by the Ninth Circuit.

After Congress refused to appropriate enough funding to build a barrier along
the border earlier this year, President Trump declared a national emergency to
allow the administration to access more money. In total, he ordered $8 billion
spent — though, only $3.6 billion needed an emergency declaration.


The president was exultant on Twitter:

Wow! Big VICTORY on the Wall. The United States Supreme Court overturns
lower court injunction, allows Southern Border Wall to proceed. Big WIN for
Border Security and the Rule of Law!



The decision was largely along partisan lines, with all five Republican-
appointed justices voting to lift the injunction, while all three liberal justices
were opposed. Justice Stephen Breyer sought to have it both ways, allowing
the process to go forward but not the construction: “There is a
straightforward way to avoid harm to both the Government and respondents
while allowing the litigation to proceed. Allowing the Government to finalize
the contracts at issue, but not to begin construction, would al- leviate the
most pressing harm claimed by the Government without risking irreparable
harm to respondents.”


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/ameri...055453344.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49135255
https://www.breitbart.com/border/201...ts-injunction/

[arista]

Yes they like a Wall in Texas
slows down the illegals.

[Twosugars]

Thanks to the right wing judges he picked. I'm shocked.

Breitbart as news source again

[Nicky91]

now come on Donnie, put the first section of the wall up yourself

it's your wall after all you've fought and cried over for a very long time, so show some initiative and other workers will follow you

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

now come on Donnie, put the first section of the wall up yourself

it's your wall after all you've fought and cried over for a very long time, so show some initiative and other workers will follow you

Nicky he is in his 70s

heave a heart?

[bots]

they haven't spent the money allocated for the wall in 2018 yet, so it's all a bit premature

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Nicky he is in his 70s

heave a heart?

well he is currently at a stressful job as leader of the free world

and his medical check up was fine, the other day what we heard

[Tom4784]

A ridiculous waste of money that just shows the Right Wing have turned the Supreme Court into a tool to push their bull****. Using Emergency funds to do it is just beyond gross.

[Oliver_W]

FINALLY!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

FINALLY!

You're happy about money that's used for emergencies being wasted on a wall that is essentially a monument to the worst president the US will ever have?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You're happy about money that's used for emergencies being wasted on a wall that is essentially a monument to the worst president the US will ever have?

Limiting illegal migration to the USA will mean fewer people are held in the detention centres. Surely that's a good thing?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Limiting illegal migration to the USA will mean fewer people are held in the detention centres. Surely that's a good thing?

Nobody has a problem with immigration procedures. Humane immigration procedures.

An expensive and even more pointless wall that serves no purpose and is using emergency funds is nothing more than an ego trip.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Limiting illegal migration to the USA will mean fewer people are held in the detention centres. Surely that's a good thing?

Except most security experts agree that a wall would do nothing and so it's essentially a monument to Trump's incompetence that will eat up money that should be used for disaster relief.

'If we build a wall that won't do anything then we'll have no need for concentration camps!' What kind of grim ****ing dystopia? It's also a useless statement since people are being detained in these camps when they try to seek immigration legally, hell, there are incidents in which US citizens have been detained in these camps for weeks based purely on their race.

How about the US do that they wrote into their own law and adhere to the Flores Agreement? Every other president has had to deal with immigration crises and none of them have ever resorted to concentration camps. No amount of spin can change the fact that what is going on in the US is rotten and is a result of the current administration's continued racism and dehumanisation of non-white immigrants.

[Shaun]

So Mexico aren't paying for it, then?

[Marsh.]

Building a step for the Mexicans.

[Liam-]

Cause **** the hurricanes, earthquakes and wildfires right? Gotta keep out those Mexicans.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Cause **** the hurricanes, earthquakes and wildfires right? Gotta keep out those Mexicans.

that does not make any sense ?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

that does not make any sense ?

Ignoring the fact that Trump went back on his word to make Mexico pay for the wall and is instead using funds from the emergency fund (that is both used to help prepare areas for natural disasters and to aid in their recovery) doesn't make it so that Liam isn't speaking sense, it just means you are ignoring facts that don't benefit your views.

[Livia]

he current system is clearly not working well. Like Oliver says, completing the wall will mean no detention centres. People from poor countries will always try to get into richer, developed countries. There isn't enough room for everyone.

After the conquistadors, maybe Mexico and others should be thinking about asking Spain for help? Like countries once in the Empire and now in the Commonwealth? We're constantly told we're responsible for all the ills in these countries why is Spain not getting it in the neck? It makes as much sense as blaming any other country who once had an empire.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

he current system is clearly not working well. Like Oliver says, completing the wall will mean no detention centres. People from poor countries will always try to get into richer, developed countries. There isn't enough room for everyone.

Of course a solution needs to be found. But is this wall that solution? Not very likely.

And using the country's emergency funds? It's just barbaric tbh.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Except most security experts agree that a wall would do nothing and so it's essentially a monument to Trump's incompetence that will eat up money that should be used for disaster relief.

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Of course a solution needs to be found. But is this wall that solution? Not very likely.

Walls work.

The border fence in Israel cut illegal immigration by 99%, Hungary found erecting a border wall cut illegal immigration by a similar %, and Bulgaria's border wall saw illegals decrease seven-fold.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

'If we build a wall that won't do anything then we'll have no need for concentration camps!'

They're still not concentration camps

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Walls work.

The border fence in Israel cut illegal immigration by 99%, Hungary found erecting a border wall cut illegal immigration by a similar %, and Bulgaria's border wall saw illegals decrease seven-fold.


They're still not concentration camps

Agree with all of this 100%.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Walls work.

The border fence in Israel cut illegal immigration by 99%, Hungary found erecting a border wall cut illegal immigration by a similar %, and Bulgaria's border wall saw illegals decrease seven-fold.


They're still not concentration camps

Again, you speak out more against the term 'concentration camp' then you ever have of the cruelty that goes on within them. Says it all really.

Your stats also operate under the assumption that everyone in these concentration camps are illegal immigrants, they are not always. People seeking legal migration or asylum are also placed in these camps, as are latin people that ICE suspects of being illegal based purely on their race.

There's also vital difference between those examples you've listed and the US, the mere size of the borders. A wall of brick or mortar will never be effective because the US/Mexico border is too big to man a wall properly. There was a republican Governer, I believe, I ccan't recall his name but he completely shat on the idea of the wall because it wouldn't do anything unless it was manned and doing so would be impossible. He instead offered up the idea of a digital wall that would be cheaper and more effective at identifying smugglers and illegal immigrants.

But then again, focusing on illegal immigrants doesn't really reflect the full image of who is incarcerated at these concentration camps. A wall won't stop the US from flouting the Flores Agreement and detaining immigrants who are trying to seek asylum or start a life in the US legally. The illegal reasoning is just an excuse to dehumanise the people whose human rights are being eroded.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

They're still not concentration camps

People know that, that's why they use the term even though it's wrong. And they accuse you of reacting more to the word than the actual problem. Diversionary tactics of the most basic kind.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

People know that, that's why they use the term even though it's wrong. And they accuse you of reacting more to the word than the actual problem. Diversionary tactics of the most basic kind.

The lack of awareness is ridiculous, truly laughable.

So focusing on a name and screeching 'It's not a concentration camp!' instead of the abuse that goes on within isn't a diversionary tactic in your blinkered view but pointing out that focusing on the name instead of the abuses is a diversionary tactic?

What the **** am I creating a diversion about exactly? Explain it to me. I'm highllighting the abuse in these camps after all, do you think human rights abuse is a diversion and the real issue is what we call the camps that enable these abuses? Because if you do... I don't need to say a godamn thing because your words speak for themselves.

Also, it's so obvious you're reading my posts given how pointed your post was so be mature and actually respond for once instead of pretending you are actually ignoring anyone.