[arista]

He says he never beat up his
ex -wife.

[Niamh.]

Yeah that was an odd story, with all the tapes etc that were released, seems like she was the abuser there though although wasn't there a first set of recordings that seemed to say he was the one? If so not sure he can sue them for lying as such?

*I may not have the full set of facts on this story

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah that was an odd story, with all the tapes etc that were released, seems like she was the abuser there though although wasn't there a first set of recordings that seemed to say he was the one? If so not sure he can sue them for lying as such?

*I may not have the full set of facts on this story

My take on the story is that they were both physically violent (and generally toxic) to each other throughout the relationship, but he "called time" first and stopped the violence, basically saying "we can't go on like this", but she continued being violent and (for whatever reason ) refused to even commit to ending the violence and even sort of suggested she liked things the way they were.

I don't think there's a clear-cut villain in the story really. I don't think either of them were good to each other, but I think she had her own issues that meant she saw the mutual violence and abuse as part of a "passionate relationship". It's sadly not all that uncommon.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My take on the story is that they were both physically violent (and generally toxic) to each other throughout the relationship, but he "called time" first and stopped the violence, basically saying "we can't go on like this", but she continued being violent and (for whatever reason ) refused to even commit to ending the violence and even sort of suggested she liked things the way they were.

I don't think there's a clear-cut villain in the story really. I don't think either of them were good to each other, but I think she had her own issues that meant she saw the mutual violence and abuse as part of a "passionate relationship". It's sadly not all that uncommon.

So Dan Wooton's Source
was right then.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My take on the story is that they were both physically violent (and generally toxic) to each other throughout the relationship, but he "called time" first and stopped the violence, basically saying "we can't go on like this", but she continued being violent and (for whatever reason ) refused to even commit to ending the violence and even sort of suggested she liked things the way they were.

I don't think there's a clear-cut villain in the story really. I don't think either of them were good to each other, but I think she had her own issues that meant she saw the mutual violence and abuse as part of a "passionate relationship". It's sadly not all that uncommon.

All sounds very messy and depressing

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah that was an odd story, with all the tapes etc that were released, seems like she was the abuser there though although wasn't there a first set of recordings that seemed to say he was the one? If so not sure he can sue them for lying as such?

*I may not have the full set of facts on this story

To me it sounds like both of them were abusive at different points, but that Amber Heard tried to spin the story into her being the victim.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

To me it sounds like both of them were abusive at different points, but that Amber Heard tried to spin the story into her being the victim.

This is how I feel. I definitely believe he hit her and she hit him also before anyone pulls me up for it

[Liam-]

Ha, I hope he wins, Dan Wooton is scum

[Tom4784]

Amber Heard seems quite psychotic tbh. That relationship was a ****show from what we've heard but she seemed to be the worse of the two. She chopped off part of his finger, she laughed in his face about how no one would believe him and then she profited from the Metoo movement despite being an abuser herself.

I read a book a while back, it became a TV show but I've not watched it called Big Little Lies and what we know of their relationship reminds me of an abusive relationship in that book where the victim feels less like a victim because she fights back and she sometimes trades him blow for blow but it doesn't make her less of a victim.

Given what we know of Amber Heard's actions and how manipulative she was and how she bragged about being manipulative, I'd say she was the main abuser in that relationship.

She's an awful human being, I feel particularly hateful towards her because I believed her and her actions make people doubt other victims. She's just a **** of a human being.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Amber Heard seems quite psychotic tbh. That relationship was a ****show from what we've heard but she seemed to be the worse of the two. She chopped off part of his finger, she laughed in his face about how no one would believe him and then she profited from the Metoo movement despite being an abuser herself.

I read a book a while back, it became a TV show but I've not watched it called Big Little Lies and what we know of their relationship reminds me of an abusive relationship in that book where the victim feels less like a victim because she fights back and she sometimes trades him blow for blow but it doesn't make her less of a victim.

Given what we know of Amber Heard's actions and how manipulative she was and how she bragged about being manipulative, I'd say she was the main abuser in that relationship.

She's an awful human being, I feel particularly hateful towards her because I believed her and her actions make people doubt other victims. She's just a **** of a human being.

I haven't read the book but I watched the show, it's really good, great cast as well.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Amber Heard seems quite psychotic tbh. That relationship was a ****show from what we've heard but she seemed to be the worse of the two. She chopped off part of his finger, she laughed in his face about how no one would believe him and then she profited from the Metoo movement despite being an abuser herself.

I read a book a while back, it became a TV show but I've not watched it called Big Little Lies and what we know of their relationship reminds me of an abusive relationship in that book where the victim feels less like a victim because she fights back and she sometimes trades him blow for blow but it doesn't make her less of a victim.

Given what we know of Amber Heard's actions and how manipulative she was and how she bragged about being manipulative, I'd say she was the main abuser in that relationship.

She's an awful human being, I feel particularly hateful towards her because I believed her and her actions make people doubt other victims. She's just a **** of a human being.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I haven't read the book but I watched the show, it's really good, great cast as well.

...obviously with Johnny Depp and Amber Heard we’ve only had the toxicity reported ...but what Big Little Lies showed so well was the loving party of the relationship as well...she was aware of his control but they had an intense love as well...

[Tom4784]

Honestly, it sounds to me that she had a lot of coercive control over him, if she'd brag in front of a therapist on tape about how no one would ever believe him then what was she like in private?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Honestly, it sounds to me that she had a lot of coercive control over him, if she'd brag in front of a therapist on tape about how no one would ever believe him then what was she like in private?

Yeah exactly, he had the career to lose and she had everything to gain from the publicity exposure.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah exactly, he had the career to lose and she had everything to gain from the publicity exposure.

Yeah, we can only speculate based on what we already know but a lot of that, on reflection, was very typical of an abuser losing control. She wanted control of the narrative, she made everyone believe that he was in the wrong and he paid for it. She gaslit the **** out of him and then weaponised the world against him. It makes me so angry because I believed her fully, I didn't think for a second she wasn't a victim all the while I (and the rest of the world) was slating the actual victim.

Has she even faced consequences from any of this coming out? I don't think I've heard of her losing any jobs or roles because of it. Does she still have the Aquaman gig?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yeah, we can only speculate based on what we already know but a lot of that, on reflection, was very typical of an abuser losing control. She wanted control of the narrative, she made everyone believe that he was in the wrong and he paid for it. She gaslit the **** out of him and then weaponised the world against him. It makes me so angry because I believed her fully, I didn't think for a second she wasn't a victim all the while I (and the rest of the world) was slating the actual victim.

Has she even faced consequences from any of this coming out? I don't think I've heard of her losing any jobs or roles because of it. Does she still have the Aquaman gig?

...I was just reading up on it because I wasn’t completely familiar with what’s happened and it wouldn’t appear that anyone has spoken out against her ...all of the sources that were so vocal against him...?...have apparently kept completely silent in condemning
her..../..odd...

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I was just reading up on it because I wasn’t completely familiar with what’s happened and it wouldn’t appear that anyone has spoken out against her ...all of the sources that were so vocal against him...?...have apparently kept completely silent in condemning
her..../..odd...

Loads have called out her lies and her general actions.

[Tom4784]

She may be an arsehole but one of the few things JK Rowling has done right lately was stick by Depp despite many people (including myself) believing that he shouldn't have been cast or kept his role in Fantastic Beasts.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

She may be an arsehole but one of the few things JK Rowling has done right lately was stick by Depp despite many people (including myself) believing that he shouldn't have been cast or kept his role in Fantastic Beasts.

Why is JK Rowling an asshole? I really like her

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why is JK Rowling an asshole? I really like her

All the anti-trans stuff basically, she's becoming more and more extreme with it. I used to agree with her to an extent but it's becoming more and more apparent that she has a massive issue with trans people in general.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

All the anti-trans stuff basically, she's becoming more and more extreme with it. I used to agree with her to an extent but it's becoming more and more apparent that she has a massive issue with trans people in general.

nah disagree with you on that tbh. She is definitely coming from a women's rights angle there imo

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

All the anti-trans stuff basically, she's becoming more and more extreme with it. I used to agree with her to an extent but it's becoming more and more apparent that she has a massive issue with trans people in general.

.
Comparing being trans to gays being forced to go through conversation therapy was a new low even for her

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

.
Comparing being trans to gays being forced to go through conversation therapy was a new low even for her

Depends. In Iran gays are forced to transition in order to not be gays anymore.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

.
Comparing being trans to gays being forced to go through conversation therapy was a new low even for her

Depends, wasn't she comparing children being given drugs to allow them to transition as like putting gay kids through conversion therapy?

I think part of the backlash against her is thinking "trans" is one group of people or one entity, when really she's speaking up about a lot of stuff that's grown up around trans rights (stemming from extreme activists) that is really quite dangerous if it's allowed to continue (and dangerous FOR trans people as well as cis people).

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

All the anti-trans stuff basically, she's becoming more and more extreme with it. I used to agree with her to an extent but it's becoming more and more apparent that she has a massive issue with trans people in general.

She is not anti trans, for god sake she's even supportive and has trans fans and friends. These days its too easy to jump on the bandwagon and think bad of people .

All she said was the biological gender thing or am I missing something? . JK is unfairly getting stick over this .

[Niamh.]

I remember originally not believing her because Vanessa paradis and another of his exes spoke up for him saying how that was not the kind of person they knew when they were with him but then there was some sort of "proof" against him and I felt awful for not believing her but then more tapes came out against her, such an awful and messy story