[Crimson Dynamo]

Anti-Semitism has been normalised in middle-class Britain, a Government-
backed report has found.

The review warned that Jewish people in the UK were suffering increasing
prejudice “in our professions, cultural life [and] public services” and felt they
were “tolerated rather than being respected”.

The report found anti-Semitism to be
pervasive in the NHS, at universities and in the arts.

The inconsistent policing of hate crimes against Jews, including at pro-
Palestine protests, was also highlighted.

The review was co-authored by Lord Mann, the Government’s anti-Semitism
adviser, and Dame Penny Mordaunt, the former defence secretary.

Writing in The Telegraph, they said they had been “stunned into silence” by
the evidence gathered during six months of research for the Commission on
Anti-Semitism.

Among 10 recommendations made in their report, which will be published on
Tuesday and considered by the Government, are recognising Judaism as an ethnicity

The co-authors said that British Jews were often “held responsible for the
actions of the Israeli government”, which are frequently the subject of pro-
Palestine protests.

“From evidence that we heard, we can identify that there is a specific
unaddressed issue of anti-Semitism within the NHS,” they wrote.

The education sector was also criticised in the report for allowing the spread
of anti-Semitism on university campuses and in primary school classrooms.

Artists ‘cancelled because of their heritage’

The report found there was “almost nowhere” that British Jews could turn
“where anti-Semitism does not seem present in some form”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...d-jews-israel/

[Vicky.]

This isn't a surprise if you actually listen/read the opinions of Jewish people. Seems an awful place for them to live at the moment

[Livia]

I'm interested to see how this thread progresses, how many of the usual suspects make anti-Semitic comments or justify them then completely get away with it.

[BBXX]

It does seem like anti-semitism is the one major prejudice that is brushed under the carpet and people are given a pass for.

As I’ve said elsewhere, it’s a scary time for the Jewish people and it’s horrific that civilians are made the victims of political wars.

I really don’t know enough about the Palestinian / Israeli conflict but ordinary civilians should not be made to live in fear, wherever they are in the world, because of political wars.

This study, unfortunately, doesn’t surprise me.

[Oliver_W]

Real life footage from this year's Glastonbury:

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[Livia]

LOL... Borat.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Anti-Semitism has been normalised in middle-class Britain, a Government-
backed report has found.

The review warned that Jewish people in the UK were suffering increasing
prejudice “in our professions, cultural life [and] public services” and felt they
were “tolerated rather than being respected”.

The report found anti-Semitism to be
pervasive in the NHS, at universities and in the arts.

The inconsistent policing of hate crimes against Jews, including at pro-
Palestine protests, was also highlighted.

The review was co-authored by Lord Mann, the Government’s anti-Semitism
adviser, and Dame Penny Mordaunt, the former defence secretary.

Writing in The Telegraph, they said they had been “stunned into silence” by
the evidence gathered during six months of research for the Commission on
Anti-Semitism.

Among 10 recommendations made in their report, which will be published on
Tuesday and considered by the Government, are recognising Judaism as an ethnicity

The co-authors said that British Jews were often “held responsible for the
actions of the Israeli government”, which are frequently the subject of pro-
Palestine protests.

“From evidence that we heard, we can identify that there is a specific
unaddressed issue of anti-Semitism within the NHS,” they wrote.

The education sector was also criticised in the report for allowing the spread
of anti-Semitism on university campuses and in primary school classrooms.

Artists ‘cancelled because of their heritage’

The report found there was “almost nowhere” that British Jews could turn
“where anti-Semitism does not seem present in some form”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...d-jews-israel/

Tbh I'm going to be consistent on this, as I remember having a discussion with Liam (I think it was Liam anyway,) on here a year or two ago on something similar to this, and my stance will always be the same.

I don't agree with most forms of prejudice, and I do understand that as a society we do have a duty to make sure that extremist views aren't celebrated by the general public.

However you can't make people like you, so it's better that the people that don't like you are at least tolerant towards you, rather than becoming the next KKK or Hitler.

Obviously I have used two extreme examples, but severity of the prejudice is important, and it's also important to not try and force people into liking someone or in this case a group of people.

It's Human Psychology, you'll just make the prejudice person more extreme.

[Nicky91]

well no offense but this is on the IDF to blame for, those who starve civilians in Gaza to death, denying food supplies to get to Gaza, denying those civilians in Gaza the right to catch fish in the sea


those are unethical war crimes



antisemitism isn't okay at all fair enough and i'm not defending that if anyone thinks otherwise but neither is starving people to death, that is something what we know what the Nazi's did in WW2

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbh I'm going to be consistent on this, as I remember having a discussion with Liam (I think it was Liam anyway,) on here a year or two ago on something similar to this, and my stance will always be the same.

I don't agree with most forms of prejudice, and I do understand that as a society we do have a duty to make sure that extremist views aren't celebrated by the general public.

However you can't make people like you, so it's better that the people that don't like you are at least tolerant towards you, rather than becoming the next KKK or Hitler.

Obviously I have used two extreme examples, but severity of the prejudice is important, and it's also important to not try and force people into liking someone or in this case a group of people.

It's Human Psychology, you'll just make the prejudice person more extreme.

I was not expecting that from you.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

well no offense but this is on the IDF to blame for, those who starve civilians in Gaza to death, denying food supplies to get to Gaza, denying those civilians in Gaza the right to catch fish in the sea


those are unethical war crimes



antisemitism isn't okay at all fair enough and i'm not defending that if anyone thinks otherwise but neither is starving people to death, that is something what we know what the Nazi's did in WW2

I DID expect this from you. All Jews should suffer because, you know, the IDF.. But you can't hate all Muslims because of terrorism because that'd be racist.

What was your excuse for the anti-Semites before 7th October? What was the excuse before 1947? What was your excuse before the Nazis? It's easy to see what happened in Europe in the 30s and 40s, neighbour giving up Jewish neighbour and then making excuses for themselves.

How ****ing depressing. But not wholly un expected. And what makes me smile is that statements like this so often start with "no offence...."..

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

I was not expecting that from you.

What do you mean?

I'm saying that being Anti-Semitic is wrong, but you can't force people into not being Anti-Semitic anymore, because they'll go more extreme instead.

I hold this opinion with every other prejudice too.

The only way to stop a prejudice forming is to debate with the people holding the prejudice, in this particular case Anti-Semitism.

I do feel like the article was trying to cause more friction rather than trying to find a genuine solution to a rise in Anti-Semitic rhetoric.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

well no offense but this is on the IDF to blame for, those who starve civilians in Gaza to death, denying food supplies to get to Gaza, denying those civilians in Gaza the right to catch fish in the sea


those are unethical war crimes



antisemitism isn't okay at all fair enough and i'm not defending that if anyone thinks otherwise but neither is starving people to death, that is something what we know what the Nazi's did in WW2

But the Jewish community in the UK have no involvement with the Israeli Government.

[Glenn.]

Antisemitism’s never ok, and it’s never ok how normalised it still is in so many places.

Backing Jewish people doesn’t mean you can’t also stand with Palestine. Two things can be true at once. Blaming UK Jews for Israel is out of order. Ignoring what’s happening in Gaza? Also out of order.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Antisemitism’s never ok, and it’s never ok how normalised it still is in so many places.

Backing Jewish people doesn’t mean you can’t also stand with Palestine. Two things can be true at once. Blaming UK Jews for Israel is out of order. Ignoring what’s happening in Gaza? Also out of order.

I think that's fair points that you've made personally.

[Ninastar]

I have a Jewish friend who lives near Bradford and the stories I would hear were horrific and that was a decade ago. I dread to imagine what it’s like now. None of it was ever made news to the media which was always interesting (and scary) to me. Crazy the amount of things that get swept under the rug because it doesn’t fit the media’s perspective

[Liam-]

Are we talking actual, proper antisemitism or this new modern Zionist definition where you apparently hate Jews and want them to die if you don’t like Israel slaughtering tens of thousands of children

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

well no offense but this is on the IDF to blame for, those who starve civilians in Gaza to death, denying food supplies to get to Gaza, denying those civilians in Gaza the right to catch fish in the sea


those are unethical war crimes



antisemitism isn't okay at all fair enough and i'm not defending that if anyone thinks otherwise but neither is starving people to death, that is something what we know what the Nazi's did in WW2

I know you're saying you're not defending anti-semitism, but linking regular civilians who happen to be Jewish with the actions of an Israeli government is excusing it.

They're unrelated and it's fine to disagree with what the Israeli government is doing but it's not okay for people to link that with people who are simply bystanders who happen to share the same religion or ethnicity. It's the same for any demographic - innocent people are not responsible for the actions of a few extreme minorities just because they share a religion/political stance/sexuality/gender/class/race etc...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

What do you mean?

I'm saying that being Anti-Semitic is wrong, but you can't force people into not being Anti-Semitic anymore, because they'll go more extreme instead.

I hold this opinion with every other prejudice too.

The only way to stop a prejudice forming is to debate with the people holding the prejudice, in this particular case Anti-Semitism.

I do feel like the article was trying to cause more friction rather than trying to find a genuine solution to a rise in Anti-Semitic rhetoric.

I thought you gave a lot of understanding to the people who hate Jews. Heaven forbit an article causes some friction amongst Jew-haters. Jews seem to be the one group in society whom it is acceptable to hate. I never thought it would be acceptable in this country for a Jewish man walking on a London street is turned back for being "openly Jewish" by a police officer. Otr where a member of the public brings to the attention of a police officer the flying of a flag with a swastika and the police office saying, well... the use of a swastika is subjective and letting it go. Everything chips away,

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Are we talking actual, proper antisemitism or this new modern Zionist definition where you apparently hate Jews and want them to die if you don’t like Israel slaughtering tens of thousands of children

You're holding all Jews responsible for the acts of Israel. You don't do that for Muslims... why is that?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Antisemitism’s never ok, and it’s never ok how normalised it still is in so many places.

Backing Jewish people doesn’t mean you can’t also stand with Palestine. Two things can be true at once. Blaming UK Jews for Israel is out of order. Ignoring what’s happening in Gaza? Also out of order.

I agree with that whole post.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Livia

You're holding all Jews responsible for the acts of Israel. You don't do that for Muslims... why is that?

Show me one example of me doing that

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Are we talking actual, proper antisemitism or this new modern Zionist definition where you apparently hate Jews and want them to die if you don’t like Israel slaughtering tens of thousands of children

Artists ‘cancelled because of their heritage

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Show me one example of me doing that

I'm frankly tired of explaining it to you.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Are we talking actual, proper antisemitism or this new modern Zionist definition where you apparently hate Jews and want them to die if you don’t like Israel slaughtering tens of thousands of children

I’m talking about synagogues/jewish residents having bricks thrown through their windows, threatening letters through postbox, women being harassed/assaulted without any justification process after, tires being slashed, weapons being ‘waved’ as a reminder to ‘stay in your place, women being followed/threatend on the regular, hateful graffiti, people just opening talking god awful **** about Jewish people (sometimes Christians too) and a few more things I’ve heard about over the years

And no one blinks an eye lid

People don’t care

Maybe people just aren’t aware, but this has been happening for years and it’s only going to get worse

[Ninastar]

I also remember my friend telling me that people would come around to her neighborhood and walk around wearing balaclavas and that alone scared me shitless. The thought of being attacked and not being able to see their face properly? I don’t think people really think about how that makes most women feel about their safety.

I know this isn’t just exclusive to Jewish humans, it can happen to anyone. But the idea that there are people out there openly taunting/harassing people for being Jewish and constantly getting away with it is a problem

This was before the covid masking/free Palestine cover ups etc so it always freaked me out