[camertone]

Vinnie is the alpha male in the house, and he decides everything. He decides who does tasks, he decides food, meal, nominations etc. He dominates every conversations. He puts people down 24/7. He thinks he's so cool, better than anyone else. He wanted Kat gone, he wanted Sov gone, and they are gone, now he wants Ivana, Alex, Sisqo or Stephen gone. He obviously influences everyone and everything in the house. Vinnnie doesn't appear to be a nice guy, but a bully, he seems like a mean angry bitter man, who is a total control freak. Anyone agrees?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by camertone

Vinnie is the alpha male in the house, and he decides everything. He decides who does tasks, he decides food, meal, nominations etc. He dominates every conversations. He puts people down 24/7. He thinks he's so cool, better than anyone else. He wanted Kat gone, he wanted Sov gone, and they are gone, now he wants Ivana or Stephen gone. He obviously influences everyone and everything in the house. Vinnnie doesn't appear to be a nice guy, but a bully, he seems like a mean angry bitter man, who is a total control freak. Anyone agrees?

If he wanted Ivana or Stephen gone why did he nominate Sisqo and Alex? A strategic double bluff to fool the public, but obviously you saw through that one, Thanks.

[mike888]

NO, you're just dragging up the same old crap that's been spouted on this forum since the show began. Vinnie has shown that he's nothing like all the pre-conceived notions that people had about him. He's just man's man with a heart of gold, everyone of his fellow housemates love him and he's not going to get nominated so get over it. He was cheered into the house and he'll be cheered out of it. VOTE VINNIE FOR A GREAT BRITISH WIN!!!

[BB_Eye]

It's hard to tell. He is certainly a ruthless poltician... and we know politics and bullying a close bedbuddies.

But I think we would only know this if we were to see Vinnie keep up his game for a period of months like in the main series. His gameplan is far more subtle than somebody like Jade in CBB5, whose blatant aggressive nastiness showed her up for what she was in a very short space of time.

[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by camertone

Vinnie is the alpha male in the house, and he decides everything. He decides who does tasks, he decides food, meal, nominations etc. He dominates every conversations. He puts people down 24/7. He thinks he's so cool, better than anyone else. He wanted Kat gone, he wanted Sov gone, and they are gone, now he wants Ivana, Alex, Sisqo or Stephen gone. He obviously influences everyone and everything in the house. Vinnnie doesn't appear to be a nice guy, but a bully, he seems like a mean angry bitter man, who is a total control freak. Anyone agrees?

i agree with elements of this,some aspects of vinnies persona like his controlling behavior cant be argued upon,to call him a bully i think there is also an arguement for.. tbh when you enter a social environment natural leaders are bound to appear,in this case no one has challenged vinnie so he took the reigns,so now he's the self appointed leader..


as for the bullying im sure he's been unfair to a few housemates,but to call it bullying,i guess its based on perspective but i personally dont see him as a bully in the house..

[BB_Eye]

Maybe the real problem with the house isn't Vinnie himself, but the lack of any person with real leadership skills. I can't help but think if there was someone genuinely assertive in that house, then Vinnie would get pushed to the sidelines.

On the other hand a real leader can only come about, if a group can discuss among themselves who is suited. Vinnie is so autocratic and dictatorial, that such a situation has been made impossible.

[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

On the other hand a real leader can only come about, if a group can discuss among themselves who is suited. Vinnie is so autocratic and dictatorial, that such a situation has been made impossible.

yeah this seems about right,he just assumed leadership as apposed to talking it out,i doubt anyone would've even complained had they had a say in it.

lines have been drawn anyway,so lets see if anyone aside from sovereign or stephan rise up against this arrogant twerp.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Maybe the real problem with the house isn't Vinnie himself, but the lack of any person with real leadership skills. I can't help but think if there was someone genuinely assertive in that house, then Vinnie would get pushed to the sidelines.

A very interesting point, maybe Stephen standing up for Sov after the fact is his moral rectitude asserting itself and him making a stand as the true leader within the house.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

On the other hand a real leader can only come about, if a group can discuss among themselves who is suited. Vinnie is so autocratic and dictatorial, that such a situation has been made impossible.

Thats not really a valid point, many autocratic and dictatorial leaders didnt sit down and discuss with their peers what they would like to see happen, but did in fact take the reins of control and they were real leaders.

[Akerbie]

No he's not a bully one bit, but he should discuss decisions with the group more to give everyone a say. Even though I feel it was right for Ivana to do the posing task because everyone else had done their fair share, why should she be told to do rather than letting her agree. She was uncomfortable at first, but Vinnie could of at least been a bit more reasonable and nicer about. The outcome would have still been the same. Vinnie means well and believes he doing aand saying things for the good of the group, but he should let the rest of the group have their say before anything is set in stone.

Having said that, the rest of them only have themselves to blame because they don't challenge him. I'm starting to see were Sov is coming from, though get me wrong, I'm not excusing her behaviour. She was a brat!

He's no bully!

[Stacey.]

yes, obviously

[Shasown]

All of the Vinnie's detractors, seem to use an excuse for explaining their heroes apparent behaviour but never apply it to him.

Editing, how do you know that they all dont sit down at some time every or even just some day(s) and make decisions together? Just because you dont see it on edited highlights, doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

It was shown on one occasion when Sov agreed to follow the rules then walked off in a huff for a smoke, how do you know thie is not the norm?

[Claymores]

I completely agree - Vinnie is a bulleh and I forgot how to spell and am 14

SOV TO WIN WHEN SHE GOES BACK IN

[Niamh.]

No he isn't a bully and if he hated/wanted Sov outso much, how come he didn't nominate her once?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

No he isn't a bully and if he hated/wanted Sov outso much, how come he didn't nominate her once?

Hey come on, a valid logical point? No need to be nasty to the sov fans. Why let the truth stand in the way of a good story?

[Stephanie]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

No he isn't a bully and if he hated/wanted Sov outso much, how come he didn't nominate her once?

because he's getting everyone else to do it for him, while he sits back and watches and doesn't get a single nom.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Stephanie

because he's getting everyone else to do it for him, while he sits back and watches and doesn't get a single nom.

What? If he was such a bully he'd have had plenty of nominations, don't be ridiculous, people don't have to nominate in front of eachother so he wouldn't know who did it???

[Nemo123]

I think the other hm's may be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome; really he is a scary individual.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

I think the other hm's may be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome; really he is a scary individual.

he really doesn't come across as scary, has everyone in here had really sheltered lives or what???

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

he really doesn't come across as scary, has everyone in here had really sheltered lives or what???

He has a criminal record for violent assault. On at lest 3 occasions. 1, he beat up his neighbour. 2, he was done for air rage, and 3, he got in a bar brawl in 2003, which apparntly left hm with his nose severely lacerated by a bottle.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

He has a criminal record for violent assault. On at lest 3 occasions. 1, he beat up his neighbour. 2, he was done for air rage, and 3, he got in a bar brawl in 2003, which apparntly left hm with his nose severely lacerated by a bottle.

I am talking about how he interacts with his HMs and how he comes across on screen to me.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I am talking about how he interacts with his HMs and how he comes across on screen to me.

I can't help but let my view of him be influenced by his past behaviour in real life. If he didn't have a violent past I'd support him, but he does.

[PaulyJ]

If you agree he "forced his will" unto Stephanie, and Ivano over the modelling task then you could put this Bully/Not a Bully thing to bed.

imo he did force his will on them in a mild way so i'd have to say he's a mild Bully thus far, but judging by his past, this may be just the tip of the iceberg.

But he could have changed and calmed down since his violent behaviour, and mild Bully could be seen as an achievement by the people that know Vinnie well.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by PaulyJ

If you agree he "forced his will" unto Stephanie, and Ivano over the modelling task then you could put this Bully/Not a Bully thing to bed.

imo he did force his will on them in a mild way so i'd have to say he's a mild Bully thus far, but judging by his past, this may be just the tip of the iceberg.

But he could have changed and calmed down since his violent behaviour, and mild Bully could be seen as an achievement by the people that know Vinnie well.

Or he, at 45, may be past it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

Or he, at 45, may be past it.

I'd say there's life in the old dog yet! (45 isn't that old come on!!!!)