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Lee. · 07-11-2010, 09:24 AM

I don't want an argument as to whether or not Cher is good or not; the fact of the matter is she was out of tune last night, something not ONE of the judges picked up on.

Why won't they give her any negative feedback? I mean Simon's suggestion last weeek that her performance was "the best of the season" was complete BS!

Are they scared that if they tell her the truth, she may have a mini breakdown, thus bringing unwanted negative attention from the media similar to SuBo's breakdown?

Yuna · 07-11-2010, 09:26 AM

It's obvious the producers want to keep her in the show. It's not like the judges can say whatever they want, lol.

Jack_ · 07-11-2010, 09:44 AM

I personally don't think she was out of tune. Not the strongest vocalist, obviously, but she wasn't out of tune. And to answer your question - it's their opinion [one that they're entitled to]. That's the whole point of having Judges, for them to give their opinion. Not everyone is going to agree with it, and if all the Judges agreed with each other/the public it would be a very dull show and would render the Judges pointless...

Lee. · 07-11-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

I personally don't think she was out of tune. Not the strongest vocalist, obviously, but she wasn't out of tune. And to answer your question - it's their opinion [one that they're entitled to]. That's the whole point of having Judges, for them to give their opinion. Not everyone is going to agree with it, and if all the Judges agreed with each other/the public it would be a very dull show and would render the Judges pointless...

Fair comments..

I just think that over the past 5 weeks, nearly every one of the finalists have been given some sort of negative criticism, and let's face it, Cher has had a few very dubious performances, but the judges just keep telling her she's fantastic?!

I mean, even Louis who obviously loves getting his nails stuck in to the other judges acts seems to think the sun shines out of her arse!

Jack_ · 07-11-2010, 10:07 AM

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Fair comments..

I just think that over the past 5 weeks, nearly every one of the finalists have been given some sort of negative criticism, and let's face it, Cher has had a few very dubious performances, but the judges just keep telling her she's fantastic?!

I mean, even Louis who obviously loves getting his nails stuck in to the other judges acts seems to think the sun shines out of her arse!

It's not all about vocal talent though, it's about stage presence, the 'look', personality etc etc. Cher has pretty much all of those, just doesn't have the strongest vocal. She's a 'performer'. Far more comercially viable than most of the other acts - and that's essentially what they're looking for. I know she hasn't got the strongest voice out of all of the acts, but I really don't think it is as bad as some people are making out...

Niamh. · 07-11-2010, 10:09 AM

she was out of tune Jack

patsylimerick · 07-11-2010, 10:13 AM

It seems to be more about the perceived credibility or relevance of the show; even the past winners who are successful are decidedly 'uncool'. The judges seem to believe that they've found, in Cher, a 'quirky' performer. She makes me want to dig my fillings out with hot needles, but she's just a child and her deeply off putting attitude is being stirred up by the drivel from the judges, and cole in particular. Apparently, she does appeal to younger fans in particular; those who are too young to realise just how contrived and copy-cat her performances are. I'd include Cher herself, in that, by the way. I think she thinks she's beyond original. The judges haven't the first clue about anything other than the cheddar cheese end of the pop spectrum - not one of them. Cowell, I feel, can credit the loss of any remaining shred of personal credibility and musical nous to Cher and Katie.

Jack_ · 07-11-2010, 10:13 AM

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she was out of tune Jack

Not from what I heard she wasn't, and the Judges don't seem to think so either. Like I said, not the strongest vocally, but not awful...

Lee. · 07-11-2010, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

It's not all about vocal talent though, it's about stage presence, the 'look', personality etc etc. Cher has pretty much all of those, just doesn't have the strongest vocal. She's a 'performer'. Far more comercially viable than most of the other acts - and that's essentially what they're looking for. I know she hasn't got the strongest voice out of all of the acts, but I really don't think it is as bad as some people are making out...

I'm the first one to agree with you that the vocals aren't everything when it comes to finding a new star.. Image and stage presence ARE very important too. I think the likes of Katie, although not a belter of a singer, has a great image and IMO is a very good performer.. whereas Treyc has an incredibly strong voice but to me hasn't got a lot of stage presence at all.

However, I STILL think that although Cher has had a few stronger perfomances, the judges aren't being as honest with her as they usually are

Niamh. · 07-11-2010, 10:18 AM

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Not from what I heard she wasn't, and the Judges don't seem to think so either. Like I said, not the strongest vocally, but not awful...

she sounded out of tune to me and my brother and husband who were all watching. The judges wouldn't dare say she was out of tune, they love her so much

Lee. · 07-11-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by patsylimerick

It seems to be more about the perceived credibility or relevance of the show; even the past winners who are successful are decidedly 'uncool'. The judges seem to believe that they've found, in Cher, a 'quirky' performer. She makes me want to dig my fillings out with hot needles, but she's just a child and her deeply off putting attitude is being stirred up by the drivel from the judges, and cole in particular. Apparently, she does appeal to younger fans in particular; those who are too young to realise just how contrived and copy-cat her performances are. I'd include Cher herself, in that, by the way. I think she thinks she's beyond original. The judges haven't the first clue about anything other than the cheddar cheese end of the pop spectrum - not one of them. Cowell, I feel, can credit the loss of any remaining shred of personal credibility and musical nous to Cher and Katie.

Yes, this doesn't help her either. I find her highly unlikeable.

Jack_ · 07-11-2010, 10:21 AM

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I'm the first one to agree with you that the vocals aren't everything when it comes to finding a new star.. Image and stage presence ARE very important too. I think the likes of Katie, although not a belter of a singer, has a great image and IMO is a very good performer.. whereas Treyc has an incredibly strong voice but to me hasn't got a lot of stage presence at all.

However, I STILL think that although Cher has had a few stronger perfomances, the judges aren't being as honest with her as they usually are

Fair enough, at least we agree on something [I especially agree with the Katie bit].

IMO though, her performance last week and her performance this week have been her two strongest performances.

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she sounded out of tune to me and my brother and husband who were all watching. The judges wouldn't dare say she was out of tune, they love her so much

I wonder why? Erm...maybe because that's their opinion?

I don't buy into this either. Simon did criticise her, not regarding her vocal, but that the performance wasn't as good as last week. If he 'loved her' that much he wouldn't criticise her at all...

Niamh. · 07-11-2010, 10:24 AM

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Fair enough, at least we agree on something [I especially agree with the Katie bit].

IMO though, her performance last week and her performance this week have been her two strongest performances.

I wonder why? Erm...maybe because that's their opinion?

I don't buy into this either. Simon did criticise her, not regarding her vocal, but that the performance wasn't as good as last week. If he 'loved her' that much he wouldn't criticise her at all...

I never realised being out of tune was a matter of opinion

Novo · 07-11-2010, 10:24 AM

Niamhxo i am sure you say everyone is out of tune apart from Matt.... who next. Rebecca maybe?

Jack_ · 07-11-2010, 10:26 AM

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I never realised being out of tune was a matter of opinion

Well it has to be, or else everyone would agree, surely? I don't think she was out of tune [but again, not the strongest vocally], neither did some other people, and neither did the Judges. So it's got to be a matter of opinion, no?

Lee. · 07-11-2010, 10:26 AM

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Fair enough, at least we agree on something [I especially agree with the Katie bit].

IMO though, her performance last week and her performance this week have been her two strongest performances.

A braying donkey would have sounded good with the amount of backing Cher had last week; something that the XF received a lot of criticism for. This week they obviously stripped back a lot of the production, and we heardmore of what Cher's voice is like.. unfortunately, it's not very good..

joeysteele · 07-11-2010, 10:27 AM

She wasn't totally in tune all the time, but I think the issue is that there has been an unsaid and unwritten guideline to the Judges that because of the controversy over Cher being in at all, that they say little if anything negative about her.

That can be the only logical explanation because some weeks she has not just been bad she has been chronically bad.

Niamh. · 07-11-2010, 10:28 AM

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Niamhxo i am sure you say everyone is out of tune apart from Matt.... who next. Rebecca maybe?

Rebecca is incredible, so no

Oh and I think it'll be a bye bye to Katie tonight, she absolutely crucified that song

patsylimerick · 07-11-2010, 10:32 AM

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Rebecca is incredible, so no

Oh and I think it'll be a bye bye to Katie tonight, she absolutely crucified that song

I've a mate with a 40 a day habit who does a far better smoky Gwen/Gaga/Madonna after five or six vodkas in a pub corner than Katie does to acclaim on the biggest talent show in the UK every Saturday night. The whole Cher thing is equal parts irritating/awww; Katie's just 100% grating, a below average singer who should stick to the acting.

Novo · 07-11-2010, 10:33 AM

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Rebecca is incredible, so no

Oh and I think it'll be a bye bye to Katie tonight, she absolutely crucified that song

She will be massive no matter what happens

Novo · 07-11-2010, 10:34 AM

Funny how most the people who hate Cher hate Katie has well...

Niamh. · 07-11-2010, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by patsylimerick

I've a mate with a 40 a day habit who does a far better smoky Gwen/Gaga/Madonna after five or six vodkas in a pub corner than Katie does to acclaim on the biggest talent show in the UK every Saturday night. The whole Cher thing is equal parts irritating/awww; Katie's just 100% grating, a below average singer who should stick to the acting.

something is seriously wrong if she doesn't get the boot tonight.

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She will be massive no matter what happens

lmao at you not even trying to defend that brutal performance