[stageman96]

Here's the deal. I like Jim and I think he's funny but it's hard to support him based on certain things he says.

Jim said during the nominations that he never brought up the situation with Linda's husband. We all know this is not true. This was clearly a lie and a two-faced statement. How can you defend this and why should I still like Jim when he does have such a nasty streak and makes many two faced comments.

I'm genuinely looking for a Jim fan to try and explain this to me. I just want to understand where you Jim fans are coming from because if it weren't for many of the things he says I would be on board with him.

[billy123]

So what do you think Linda was referring to when she talked about getting Jim kicked out of a club before the series even started?
She was referring to incidents when the thieving husband of hers made such a habit of stealing from people at her gigs that when he was caught on camera doing it Jim turned up at the club Linda And Frank Carson were playing at after the theft to give the thief a hard time.
Frank and Jim were good friends and he was angry about it and rightfully gave him a gobfull of abuse.

Jim didnt carry the grudge into the house but Linda did.
She is so bitter about it that she felt the need to carry it on and it was only fair that Jim told everyone why Linda was so bitter.
She carried it on not him.

So im afraid you arent right in the assumption that she didnt bring it up because she did.
I think she was wrongly assuming that he would just react with anger rather than the truth.

[stageman96]

yes I understand that and I do agree that Linda was the worse one of the two in regards to holding a grudge and snapping at the other but Jim was the one who said "ask her what happened in Frank Carson's dressing room that turned it into a full scale argument."

He may not be the one with the grudge but he cannot deny that he brought it up and that he had tried to wind her up as well.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by stageman96

yes I understand that and I do agree that Linda was the worse one of the two in regards to holding a grudge and snapping at the other but Jim was the one who said "ask her what happened in Frank Carson's dressing room that turned it into a full scale argument."

He may not be the one with the grudge but he cannot deny that he brought it up and that he had tried to wind her up as well.

Yes no doubt he wound her up as well but who wouldnt.
She went below the belt first and brought up the incident in a failed attempt to soil his name before he had chance to defend himself.
Its only right that he got to tell everyone what she was telling half truths about and tell his side of the story (which is backed up by news articles and even on the nolan familys blog)

The simpleton shouldn't have gone there because it has cost her.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by stageman96

Here's the deal. I like Jim and I think he's funny but it's hard to support him based on certain things he says.

Jim said during the nominations that he never brought up the situation with Linda's husband. We all know this is not true. This was clearly a lie and a two-faced statement. How can you defend this and why should I still like Jim when he does have such a nasty streak and makes many two faced comments.

I'm genuinely looking for a Jim fan to try and explain this to me. I just want to understand where you Jim fans are coming from because if it weren't for many of the things he says I would be on board with him.

..personally I don't find him a very pleasant person in general and quite passively aggressive...but Linda has been openly aggressive and hostile and it's been endless and relentless and obsessive..I can't really think of any other housemate in the whole history of BB who has had that to contend with such venom and spite and yeah, he did respond badly with that thing with her husband but on the whole, his reactions have been very restrained and something that I don't think many people could have done...

...all of the housemates are very flawed, isn't that why they're chosen..?..BB don't want well balanced people who don't provoke much public opinion...I guess it's up to you and the individual to decide whether housemates have positive things about them that override any of the negatives...I'm not a fan of his myself but it's been interesting to see some of his better qualities....

[AnnieK]

Linda did inflame that situation. He only said "ask her what happened in frank Carson's dressing room". She didn't have to bring her husband into it. She could have said I've no idea what he's talking about. He's being delusional etc etc. none of the other housemates have even heard of Frank Carson.

[Slevin]

i get that but him just saying that was bringing up her husband since he was involved in that incident. reading between the lines. they are both major a-holes with their feud. as bad as each other. anyways this is one thing im getting really sick of even trying to discuss which is why i havent commented on anything about this for a while. im done even if someone wants to quote this and disagree. this subject has been a major headache.

[optimisticcynic]

Linda bragged that she "had Jim Davidson thrown out of a club once" in the VT at the start of the show. This was linked to Jim's argument with her dead husband are portrayed Jim as the one at fault as he was thrown out. If the reason for the argument was FCDR then Jim was not at fault to raise it to defend himself and force her to tell the whole story after she made it her opening statement. Otherwise, she would have put her spin on it if ever asked as she has already done in explaining FCDR to the housemates.

[joeysteele]

She did more as to bringing in her dead husabnd before Jim, never actually mentioning him by name but only when he referred to the Frank Carson dressing room issue.

Jim didn't say he hadn't mentioned the incident but he only mentioned Frank Carson, not the Brian by name who was Linda's husband.
She was the one who rather than go and talk to Jim alone about things,then went on to go on about her dead husband.

Clearly too, Jim was right, it is clearly this involvement of Jim in this incident as to the arrest of Linda's husband for being caught on camera thieving from Frank Carson that is behind her hatred for Jim.
A hatred she took into the house and wouldn't discuss properly but was going to use it as a justification to be the rotten, spiteful,bitter, vindictive and pathetic housemate that she was as to Jim.

She says he deserves an award for acting, well he does in my view warrant an award for not ever really firing off on all cylinders at her, how he has managed to control that for 3 weeks is beyond me.
No way I could have in his position.
With issues like that, the stupid,nasty woman should never have gone in the house at all.

[bez87]

Looking back at it now, I feel that Her hatred for him was so far beyond, what Jim had for her, and she chipped away at him for nothing, i mean the whole frank carson thing came round, because Jim asked lusia about having a man in her life, yea it wasn't the best time to asked but i never saw it in a bad way more the fact he had it in his mind and thought i'll just ask, and instead before lusia could get into a discussion with Jim, Linda butted in and started mouthing off at Jim, he went off, and Linda decided to think he said somthing nasty and instead of leaving it, she went after him to start another argument, later on Jim and lusia was talking about it, and Jim being pissed told her to ask about frank carson, because i just think he had enough and thought right this is the only thing i can think of it is so lets get it out, Linda was the one who lied about it saying her husband was innocent and she was the one who brought it up, she could of just said yea we just had a row or something she didn't have to blurt it out, just like the cherry brandy if she kept her mouth shut no one would of bothered and everyone would of been good, and Jim saying about the brandy was because Ollie said they had drank no wine.

Jim has to grown on me to the point, all i think it is, is he has a dry sense of humor, and he is a typical older man, who believes more traditional values, he reminds me of my grandad, in how he talks and winds people up, i don't think he evil.

But linda on the other hand is so vile and bitter even when out the house the way she spoke to emma was uncalled for and her pay should be deducted

End of the day, Linda's husband stole money from Jim's good friend Frank Carson while he was doing a gig for the summer i think it was, The police caught Linda's husband red handed, Linda blinded by her husband believes he didn't do it or she knew about it and was just so ashamed she didn't want to admit it, Jim got wind of this went down and started having a go at Linda's husband which got Jim thrown out, i mean this was 20 odd years ago, a younger more out going jim probably pushed it harder than it should been done, but if that was my friend i'd of smashed the guys face in, at least jim didn't go that far, i know i would of

[Crimson Dynamo]

All Jim did was remind her that people in glass houses should refrain from throwing stones. She used her husbands death to try and gain the moral high ground.


If the roles were reversed i would imagine she would have said to JIm " well at least my partner wasn't a thief." Jim, being the better person, did not say that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Look at the derisory way Linda dealt with questions from Big Brother viewers. Awful contempt.

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by stageman96

Here's the deal. I like Jim and I think he's funny but it's hard to support him based on certain things he says.

Jim said during the nominations that he never brought up the situation with Linda's husband. We all know this is not true. This was clearly a lie and a two-faced statement. How can you defend this and why should I still like Jim when he does have such a nasty streak and makes many two faced comments.

I'm genuinely looking for a Jim fan to try and explain this to me. I just want to understand where you Jim fans are coming from because if it weren't for many of the things he says I would be on board with him.

He didn't bring it up, only Linda fans say that he brought it up.

[Robodog]

Firstly, it's true she mentioned the argument involving Jim and her husband etc before she even entered the house on launch night.
Jim obviously heard her say all that as he mentioned it in his last noms for her. So she was clearly the one to bring up their past argument first.
Fair enough then that Jim referred back to it a week or so into the show when he said about carson's dressing room. He didn't mention it straight away, nor do i believe he actually wanted to refer to their previous history at all whilst in the house.

So why didn't he mention it straight away after he had heard Linda refer to it on launch night? Because he wanted to avoid it and try and keep peace.

Why then did he mention it a week or so in when he said about frank c's dressing room? Because all his other attempts at peace with Linda had failed!

She had been on his back from day one. Rallying others against him. Trying to constantly provoke him into an argument and even when he walked away from her conflict - she still continued at him.
This went on and on and on until finally he cracked and said something back in retaliation by hinting at the frank incident which he believed to be at the root of her endless problem with him.
I think he regretted saying about it but i feel he was ground down by her and exhausted and frustrated by trying to be civil with her and it getting nowhere.
Metaphorically, she had been throwing stones at his head from day one which he ignored. But he is human and can only take so much - until finally he turned round and threw back a single brick.

Remember - it wasn't Jim's first choice to say something. His first choice was peace and to walk away which he did for days on end with her. He only said something because she left him no option.

And to be honest - i think it worked. It didn't stop her but it definitely slowed her down for a while and gave him some breathing space. Maybe it did her good by making her reflect on the wider picture rather than just attack Jim automatically as she had seemingly come to do.

[Patricia4]

Originally Posted by bobnot

So what do you think Linda was referring to when she talked about getting Jim kicked out of a club before the series even started?
She was referring to incidents when the thieving husband of hers made such a habit of stealing from people at her gigs that when he was caught on camera doing it Jim turned up at the club Linda And Frank Carson were playing at after the theft to give the thief a hard time.
Frank and Jim were good friends and he was angry about it and rightfully gave him a gobfull of abuse.

Jim didnt carry the grudge into the house but Linda did.
She is so bitter about it that she felt the need to carry it on and it was only fair that Jim told everyone why Linda was so bitter.
She carried it on not him.

So im afraid you arent right in the assumption that she didnt bring it up because she did.
I think she was wrongly assuming that he would just react with anger rather than the truth.

This above is spot on bobnot Linda was at him before he said anything about the dressing room she knew before she went in what she was going to do to Jim she poisoned everyone against him apart from Dappy now they all want to be his friend.

[Kazanne]

Wasn't it her who brought her husband into the conversation about her having different sexual partners while her husband was there,she had no qualms about making him look a fool there,funny how this gets overlooked.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Wasn't it her who brought her husband into the conversation about her having different sexual partners while her husband was there,she had no qualms abo9ut making him look a fool there,funny how this gets overlooked.

Yeah i'd forgotten that. She mentioned her husband directly in that context and it wasn't exactly nice. Jim never mentioned the man directly but only referred to a wider incident which lay at the root of Linda's beef.

[Z]

Originally Posted by bez87

Looking back at it now, I feel that Her hatred for him was so far beyond, what Jim had for her, and she chipped away at him for nothing, i mean the whole frank carson thing came round, because Jim asked lusia about having a man in her life, yea it wasn't the best time to asked but i never saw it in a bad way more the fact he had it in his mind and thought i'll just ask, and instead before lusia could get into a discussion with Jim, Linda butted in and started mouthing off at Jim, he went off, and Linda decided to think he said somthing nasty and instead of leaving it, she went after him to start another argument, later on Jim and lusia was talking about it, and Jim being pissed told her to ask about frank carson, because i just think he had enough and thought right this is the only thing i can think of it is so lets get it out, Linda was the one who lied about it saying her husband was innocent and she was the one who brought it up, she could of just said yea we just had a row or something she didn't have to blurt it out, just like the cherry brandy if she kept her mouth shut no one would of bothered and everyone would of been good, and Jim saying about the brandy was because Ollie said they had drank no wine.

Jim has to grown on me to the point, all i think it is, is he has a dry sense of humor, and he is a typical older man, who believes more traditional values, he reminds me of my grandad, in how he talks and winds people up, i don't think he evil.

But linda on the other hand is so vile and bitter even when out the house the way she spoke to emma was uncalled for and her pay should be deducted

End of the day, Linda's husband stole money from Jim's good friend Frank Carson while he was doing a gig for the summer i think it was, The police caught Linda's husband red handed, Linda blinded by her husband believes he didn't do it or she knew about it and was just so ashamed she didn't want to admit it, Jim got wind of this went down and started having a go at Linda's husband which got Jim thrown out, i mean this was 20 odd years ago, a younger more out going jim probably pushed it harder than it should been done, but if that was my friend i'd of smashed the guys face in, at least jim didn't go that far, i know i would of

Great post

[MarcusMel]

I think Lionel said it in a very simple way we can all understand. Jim is only happy when he is in control. That is when he has people listen to him and do what he asks of them. The women around him eventually get fed up with the 'I'm boss' attitude and tell him to get lost. BB portray this as 'the grumpy old man' in their HL show. Jim is liked as a performer but sometimes can become very difficult to live with. Imagine telling someone the truth and never being believed unless you are telling them what they believe is true. If you can do that then you know what it is like living with Jim.

[flamingGalah!]

Linda brought up her dead husband, not Jim. He only referred to the situation for a reason as to why Linda hates him... She originally brought up the incident too, by saying she had him thrown out of a club, but forgot to mention the reason why. Jim was not the one to blame, he was sticking up for Frank Carson, it was Linda's husband who was the criminal, who had been stealing money & not just Ł25 either, but various amounts of money over a number of weeks (including money collected for a charity). I think the deeper rooted reasons for Linda are that her husband was not the wonderful man she wants to remember him as & she is taking that anger out on Jim, who was completely innocent of any wrong doing...

[Northern Monkey]

Simple answer,You don't have to be "on board with him" if you don't like his actions in the house,Just don't vote for him?Personally i've liked him in there and admire the way he's handled that awful Nolan woman,But i would'nt try and change anyone elses mind on him.This would be a boring place if we all liked the same hm's.Support who you want.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Wasn't it her who brought her husband into the conversation about her having different sexual partners while her husband was there,she had no qualms about making him look a fool there,funny how this gets overlooked.

Great point Kazanne

[Livia]

Originally Posted by stageman96

Here's the deal. I like Jim and I think he's funny but it's hard to support him based on certain things he says.

Jim said during the nominations that he never brought up the situation with Linda's husband. We all know this is not true. This was clearly a lie and a two-faced statement. How can you defend this and why should I still like Jim when he does have such a nasty streak and makes many two faced comments.

I'm genuinely looking for a Jim fan to try and explain this to me. I just want to understand where you Jim fans are coming from because if it weren't for many of the things he says I would be on board with him.

I'm not really a die-hard Jim fan... couldn't stand him before he went in but I do want him to win now because I feel I know a bit more about him. As far as his comment about Linda's husband's situation, I will say this: Linda was a complete bitch to Jim, insulting, spiteful and unreasonable in the extreme. She repeatedly called him a sexist and mentioned several times the fact he'd beaten women in the past, despite Jim admitting to the fact and saying he wasn't proud of that time in his life and that he'd turned his life around. As far as I'm concerned, the venom that was directed at Jim from Linda meant all bets were off.

[Vanessa]

Linda is so nasty, she can't even see the things she did wrong. That interview was a disgrace. She kept interrupting Emma. How rude! Even now outisde the House she's still trying to turn people against Jim. Just look at her appearence on BOTS. It was all about Jim. She knows he's her meal ticket.

[bez87]

Originally Posted by MarcusMel

I think Lionel said it in a very simple way we can all understand. Jim is only happy when he is in control. That is when he has people listen to him and do what he asks of them. The women around him eventually get fed up with the 'I'm boss' attitude and tell him to get lost. BB portray this as 'the grumpy old man' in their HL show. Jim is liked as a performer but sometimes can become very difficult to live with. Imagine telling someone the truth and never being believed unless you are telling them what they believe is true. If you can do that then you know what it is like living with Jim.

Not to sure about that, to be fair, i mean old men always want to be boss, my dads like that, my grandad was like that, friends i have who are older are like that, the fact is Jim is an older man who is probably stuck in his ways, and thinks he is always right, thats what us men are like when we get older well most of us anyway.

Linda on the other hand was more of the control freak in there, rallying everyone against jim when ever she had a spare minute, this showed how much power she had over them when ollie knew exactly why he chose linda over jim in the on the fence task, but one stare from her and the evil eyes made ollie move over to jim, and even made him vote for him, it was scary and the way linda was with dappy, because he was friends with jim, she tried to tell him how much of a game he was playing, i mean i've seen hardly any game playing and anyway isn't this a game anyway???