[Kizzy]

'Detectives in Northern Ireland investigating the Bloody Sunday shootings in 1972 have arrested a former British soldier in County Antrim.

The Police Service of Northern Ireland’s legacy investigation branch said he is 66 years old. He would have been 23 at the time of the shootings.


The officer leading the investigation, DCI Ian Harrison, said the arrest marked a new phase in the overall inquiry that would continue for some time.

Thirteen civil rights demonstrators were killed by members of the Parachute Regiment on the streets of Derry in January 1972. Another victim of the shootings died months later.'

Be careful what you do 'for your country'...

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...former-soldier

[Niamh.]

"Be careful what you do 'for your country'..."

That was a massacre

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

"Be careful what you do 'for your country'..."

That was a massacre

It was, a state sponsored massacre.

[Crimson Dynamo]

have they not got better things to do ffs

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

have they not got better things to do ffs

oh yeah it's only Irish people they killed eh? Surely there's better things to deal with. I'm sure you wouldn't be complaining if it were members of the IRA being tried for a massacre against British people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

oh yeah it's only Irish people they killed eh? Surely there's better things to deal with. I'm sure you wouldn't be complaining if it were members of the IRA being tried for a massacre against British people.

It was 1972

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It was 1972

and?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

and?

and we already have had an amnesty for all the IRA murderers?

We have thier bosses as politicians now

[smudgie]

Murder is murder, hiding behind a uniform doesn't make it right.
One of the most shameful atrocities I can remember when I was growing up.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and we already have had an amnesty for all the IRA murderers?

We have there bosses as politicians now

So the army shouldn't be held accountable for attacking innocent civilians?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So the army shouldn't be held accountable for attacking innocent civilians?

Well as long as they are looking to hold to account the 1696 people murdered by the IRA..

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well as long as they are looking to hold to account the 1696 people murdered by the IRA..

So therefore you're holding the IRA in the same regard as the British Army then?

[Niamh.]

Surely that comparison can only be made between the IRA and groups like the UDA etc not the official British Army

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So therefore you're holding the IRA in the same regard as the British Army then?

I just think that as we have forgiven all the IRA murderers it seems, raking up Bloody Sunday again is a trifle rich

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I just think that as we have forgiven all the IRA murderers it seems, raking up Bloody Sunday again is a trifle rich

Why? The IRA are/were a Terrorist group, if you want to compare like for like then that works with Loyalist Terrorist groups not the British Army, who (at that point in Irish History anyway) should have been protecting people in Northern Ireland not mowing them down

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why? The IRA are/were a Terrorist group, if you want to compare like for like then that works with Loyalist Terrorist groups not the British Army, who (at the point in Irish History anyway) should have been protecting people in Northern Ireland not mowing them down

It was one incident and they protected many NI civilians before and after that event. They did a very good and difficult job against a cowardly sneaky criminal enemy

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It was one incident and they protected many NI civilians before and after that event. They did a very good and difficult job against a cowardly sneaky criminal enemy

I actually don't even know how to reply to that. Truly disgusting to refer to Bloody Sunday for a start as just "one incident" and surely the British Army had more than one sneaky enemy or were the Loyalist Terrorist groups their allies?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I actually don't even know how to reply to that. Truly disgusting to refer to Bloody Sunday for a start as just "one incident" and surely the British Army had more than one sneaky enemy or were the Loyalist Terrorist groups their allies?

It is an incident in isolation, that does not decry it but it does place it in context.


Both terrorist groups were just that, men using political ideals to mask lawlessness, bullying, organised crime and powerbroking

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It is an incident in isolation, that does not decry it but it does place it in context.


Both terrorist groups were just that, men using political ideals to mask lawlessness, bullying, organised crime and powerbroking

How does anything ever place such an attack on unarmed civilians "in context"? Ugh, you know what nevermind I don't even want to know, this whole conversation is just making me angry

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

"Be careful what you do 'for your country'..."

That was a massacre

a massacre of innocents at that, but hey they might have turned into IRA members so it's justified

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

a massacre of innocents at that, but hey they might have turned into IRA members so it's justified

Do you think that the soldiers were told to shoot civilians ?

if so by whom?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I just think that as we have forgiven all the IRA murderers it seems, raking up Bloody Sunday again is a trifle rich

Not really as the British Army were there to enforce peace not gun down innocents, the way you describe them they are no better than terrorists

[Kazanne]

It's weird this should come up,I have just been reading about two British soldiers that were dragged from their car and murdered,it was years ago now but what was that all about?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It's weird this should come up,I have just been reading about two British soldiers that were dragged from their car and murdered,it was years ago now but what was that all about?

yes that was live on TV

The corporals killings.

It was alleged the mob thought they were loyalists (the Michael Stone incident was just before) and dragged them from the car and killed them


That said the British Army said they were told to stay away from IRA funerals and they did not..

[Livia]

I remember a thread not too long ago about a Polish man who was jailed for his work in Auschwitz. A lot of opinion thought he should be allowed to live out his life regardless of the awful things in which he collaborated. When does that abdication of responsibility come in, exactly? How much time has to pass before something ceases to get headlines?