[Kizzy]

Youtube video

[Tom4784]

God, I hope he wins.

[DemolitionRed]

That video is going to reach out to a lot of people.

[MTVN]

Old white man compares himself to Martin Luther King and Malcolm X

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Old white man compares himself to Martin Luther King and Malcolm X

Maybe its time for a white version of Martin Luther King

[GiRTh]

Bernies ticking all the right boxes.

[GiRTh]

Youtube video

Any Hillary supporter needs to wacth this video.

[GiRTh]

Youtube video

And this one. Once again it looks like he Clintons are hiding something.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Old white man compares himself to Martin Luther King and Malcolm X

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Maybe its time for a white version of Martin Luther King

Why? Are American whites oppressed? He couldn't lick MLK's boots.

Oh wait - They have something in common:

"I have a dream..."

.

[lostalex]

pathetic pandering to minorities.

Bernie has been in congress for 25 YEARS, what has he done to help black people? what has he done about police brutality??

If he couldn't get anything meaningful done in the last 25 years of power, why would you think he'd get anything done in the next 4 years??

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Why? Are American whites oppressed? He couldn't lick MLK's boots.

Oh wait - They have something in common:

"I have a dream..."

.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Why? Are American whites oppressed? He couldn't lick MLK's boots.

Oh wait - They have something in common:

"I have a dream..."

.

No but black people are.

He's a white person fighting on behalf of black people, is that beyond your comprehension ?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

No but black people are.

He's a white person fighting on behalf of black people, is that beyond your comprehension ?

he's not though... what has he done to "FIGHT" for them? he's been at one of the highest seats of power for 25 YEARS! what's he done to fight for them? and where are the results after 25 YEARS of this supposed "fighting"?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

No but black people are.

He's a white person fighting on behalf of black people, is that beyond your comprehension ?

No - very little of which is rational is beyond my comprehension, but this is not rational. I was going to expound but Alex sums it up neatly enough:

Before, I was Gonna, Wanna, Coulda, Shoulda - but dinna
But now I'll promise anything if it makes me a winner.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by lostalex

he's not though... what has he done to "FIGHT" for them? he's been at one of the highest seats of power for 25 YEARS! what's he done to fight for them? and where are the results after 25 YEARS of this supposed "fighting"?

Er....He once helped a black man get a Janitor's job?

[Tom4784]

I think you're being very unfair. Can't white people side or fight for the rights of black people? Must we all be doomed to deny that America is facing a serious problem because we're white and we're expected to deny that racism exists because it makes us uncomfortable?

I don't think the point of that ad is to compare Bernie to MLK, he's saying that he supports and endorses the protests, I think he's saying that the protesters can and do embody the spirit of MLK.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think you're being very unfair. Can't white people side or fight for the rights of black people? Must we all be doomed to deny that America is facing a serious problem because we're white and we're expected to deny that racism exists because it makes us uncomfortable?

I don't think the point of that ad is to compare Bernie to MLK, he's saying that he supports and endorses the protests, I think he's saying that the protesters can and do embody the spirit of MLK.

it's not unfair at all, why didn't he put this ad out when he was fighting in majority white states Iowa and New Hampshire.... you don't think he's pandering to minorities that he is now putting this out right before he actually has to compete in states that have much larger racial minority populations?

he's obviously pandering to racial minorities just to get their votes. if he actually cared about minorities he would have been talking about these issues and making them the focus of his ads before now.

c'mon, don't be naive.

At least Hillary has been consistent for years now. Bernie sways with the wind.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

No - very little of which is rational is beyond my comprehension, but this is not rational. I was going to expound but Alex sums it up neatly enough:

Before, I was Gonna, Wanna, Coulda, Shoulda - but dinna
But now I'll promise anything if it makes me a winner.

Alex didn't say much at all so I take it, you weren't going to say very much at all as well.
Its easy to jump on smear campaigns; getting to the bare bones of politics always takes a little more research.

Lets look at his supposed indifference towards black Americans and people of varying colour (what the headlines would have us believe).

The very first campaign he ever staged was to raise awareness for the plight of Korean orphans.
In 1962 he was arrested for protesting against racial segregation & racial equality.
He was part of the "Liberty Union" which fought for all laws on homosexuality to be lifted.

In 1985 he went to Nicaragua and was so troubled by what he saw (death and distruction financed by the American government). As Mayor of Burlington, he used his status to stop the Reigan government sending arms to left wing armies in Central America.

He has achieved High Ratings From Leading Civil Rights Organizations: A frequent critique of Sanders is that he is from a very white state. While this is true, he certainly has not ignored issues that matter to people of color. In 2002, he achieved a 93 percent rating from the ACLU and a 97% rating by the NAACP in 2006.http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/bernie_sanders.htm

He voted repeatedly against the USA PATRIOT Act. An act that has been used to violate the rights of Arab and Muslim Americans.

Traveled to Costa Rica to Defend Exploited Workers http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontra...s-and-mic.html to help organize workers opposing the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA).

he has repeatedly condemned police violence during the duration of the Black Lives Matter movement. Here he is in mid-August 2014 http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsro...rguson-tragedy and there's loads more.

Back in 2014 he embraced questions from immigrants when Hillary refused to talk to them. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...g-both-in-iowa

Sanders fought Against employment discrimination and was a strong supporter of legislation to end workplace discrimination against LGBT Americans.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsro...rimination-act

Defended Voting Rights Against Voter Suppression Efforts: Sanders earned the endorsement of radical rapper Killer Mike by his leadership on defending the Voter Rights Act and calling for expanding voting rights. http://inthesetimes.com/article/1812...bernie-sanders

And the list goes on and on and on, so don't believe everything you read from right wingers because they honestly are speaking out of their fat white arses.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Alex didn't say much at all so I take it, you weren't going to say very much at all as well.
Its easy to jump on smear campaigns; getting to the bare bones of politics always takes a little more research.

Lets look at his supposed indifference towards black Americans and people of varying colour (what the headlines would have us believe).

The very first campaign he ever staged was to raise awareness for the plight of Korean orphans.
In 1962 he was arrested for protesting against racial segregation & racial equality.
He was part of the "Liberty Union" which fought for all laws on homosexuality to be lifted.

In 1985 he went to Nicaragua and was so troubled by what he saw (death and distruction financed by the American government). As Mayor of Burlington, he used his status to stop the Reigan government sending arms to left wing armies in Central America.

He has achieved High Ratings From Leading Civil Rights Organizations: A frequent critique of Sanders is that he is from a very white state. While this is true, he certainly has not ignored issues that matter to people of color. In 2002, he achieved a 93 percent rating from the ACLU and a 97% rating by the NAACP in 2006.http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/bernie_sanders.htm

He voted repeatedly against the USA PATRIOT Act. An act that has been used to violate the rights of Arab and Muslim Americans.

Traveled to Costa Rica to Defend Exploited Workers http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontra...s-and-mic.html to help organize workers opposing the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA).

he has repeatedly condemned police violence during the duration of the Black Lives Matter movement. Here he is in mid-August 2014 http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsro...rguson-tragedy and there's loads more.

Back in 2014 he embraced questions from immigrants when Hillary refused to talk to them. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...g-both-in-iowa

Sanders fought Against employment discrimination and was a strong supporter of legislation to end workplace discrimination against LGBT Americans.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsro...rimination-act

Defended Voting Rights Against Voter Suppression Efforts: Sanders earned the endorsement of radical rapper Killer Mike by his leadership on defending the Voter Rights Act and calling for expanding voting rights. http://inthesetimes.com/article/1812...bernie-sanders

And the list goes on and on and on, so don't believe everything you read from right wingers because they honestly are speaking out of their fat white arses.

WOW. you really do drink the Berniebro cool-aid don't you...

and you didn't answer my questions... What did he accomplish? Why didn't he achieve any real change after 25 YEARS of having a huge position of power in congress?

What did he actually GET DONE? what changes did he actually MAKE? so far all of your responses are about how he'd like to do something, but you haven't told me anything about what he's actually DONE! He's been one of the most powerful people in the country for 25 YEARS, and he hasn't actually DONE anything has he?

Complaining about things, is not the same as DOING something about things. Why would i vote for a president that thinks that just COMPLAINING = doing something?

Answer those questions directly please.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Alex didn't say much at all so I take it, you weren't going to say very much at all as well.
Its easy to jump on smear campaigns; getting to the bare bones of politics always takes a little more research.

Lets look at his supposed indifference towards black Americans and people of varying colour (what the headlines would have us believe).

The very first campaign he ever staged was to raise awareness for the plight of Korean orphans.
In 1962 he was arrested for protesting against racial segregation & racial equality.
He was part of the "Liberty Union" which fought for all laws on homosexuality to be lifted.

In 1985 he went to Nicaragua and was so troubled by what he saw (death and distruction financed by the American government). As Mayor of Burlington, he used his status to stop the Reigan government sending arms to left wing armies in Central America.

He has achieved High Ratings From Leading Civil Rights Organizations: A frequent critique of Sanders is that he is from a very white state. While this is true, he certainly has not ignored issues that matter to people of color. In 2002, he achieved a 93 percent rating from the ACLU and a 97% rating by the NAACP in 2006.http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/bernie_sanders.htm

He voted repeatedly against the USA PATRIOT Act. An act that has been used to violate the rights of Arab and Muslim Americans.

Traveled to Costa Rica to Defend Exploited Workers http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontra...s-and-mic.html to help organize workers opposing the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA).

he has repeatedly condemned police violence during the duration of the Black Lives Matter movement. Here he is in mid-August 2014 http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsro...rguson-tragedy and there's loads more.

Back in 2014 he embraced questions from immigrants when Hillary refused to talk to them. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...g-both-in-iowa

Sanders fought Against employment discrimination and was a strong supporter of legislation to end workplace discrimination against LGBT Americans.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsro...rimination-act

Defended Voting Rights Against Voter Suppression Efforts: Sanders earned the endorsement of radical rapper Killer Mike by his leadership on defending the Voter Rights Act and calling for expanding voting rights. http://inthesetimes.com/article/1812...bernie-sanders

And the list goes on and on and on, so don't believe everything you read from right wingers because they honestly are speaking out of their fat white arses.

I do not "believe everything I "read from right wingers" and it is both arrogant and presumptious of you to offer me advice on that matter.

Nor am I "jumping on" any "smear campaign".

I have my own opinion of Saunders and my posts - though slightly tongue-in-cheek' and ever so slightly 'jocular' - are based upon that opinion.

I suspect the REAL reasons behind his embarrassing video appeal is nothing more than personal political survival, and though I was not aware of ALL which you post above, I am now even LESS enamoured of him, because some of the organisations who 'endorse' him are - in my opinion - highly suspect themselves, so now I think he is a seriously dangerous 'leftie' who, too readily it seems, ass-licks any ass just as long as it's gaining him personal credit.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I do not "believe everything I "read from right wingers" and it is both arrogant and presumptious of you to offer me advice on that matter.

Nor am I "jumping on" any "smear campaign".

I have my own opinion of Saunders and my posts - though slightly tongue-in-cheek' and ever so slightly 'jocular' - are based upon that opinion.

I suspect the REAL reasons behind his embarrassing video appeal is nothing more than personal political survival, and though I was not aware of ALL which you post above, I am now even LESS enamoured of him, because some of the organisations who 'endorse' him are - in my opinion - highly suspect themselves, so now I think he is a seriously dangerous 'leftie' who, too readily it seems, ass-licks any ass just as long as it's gaining him personal credit.

yup, you are right kirk.

i've noticed all the bernie supporters are just supporting him based on their Facebook friends, it;'s so trendy right now. but they have no idea about the actual issues.

i thank you for being a member of this forum that doesn't just go along with what their Facebook friends post. You seem to actually have the ability to think for yourself.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Alex didn't say much at all so I take it, you weren't going to say very much at all as well.
Its easy to jump on smear campaigns; getting to the bare bones of politics always takes a little more research.

Lets look at his supposed indifference towards black Americans and people of varying colour (what the headlines would have us believe).

The very first campaign he ever staged was to raise awareness for the plight of Korean orphans.
In 1962 he was arrested for protesting against racial segregation & racial equality.
He was part of the "Liberty Union" which fought for all laws on homosexuality to be lifted.

In 1985 he went to Nicaragua and was so troubled by what he saw (death and distruction financed by the American government). As Mayor of Burlington, he used his status to stop the Reigan government sending arms to left wing armies in Central America.

He has achieved High Ratings From Leading Civil Rights Organizations: A frequent critique of Sanders is that he is from a very white state. While this is true, he certainly has not ignored issues that matter to people of color. In 2002, he achieved a 93 percent rating from the ACLU and a 97% rating by the NAACP in 2006.http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/bernie_sanders.htm

He voted repeatedly against the USA PATRIOT Act. An act that has been used to violate the rights of Arab and Muslim Americans.

Traveled to Costa Rica to Defend Exploited Workers http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontra...s-and-mic.html to help organize workers opposing the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA).

he has repeatedly condemned police violence during the duration of the Black Lives Matter movement. Here he is in mid-August 2014 http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsro...rguson-tragedy and there's loads more.

Back in 2014 he embraced questions from immigrants when Hillary refused to talk to them. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...g-both-in-iowa

Sanders fought Against employment discrimination and was a strong supporter of legislation to end workplace discrimination against LGBT Americans.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsro...rimination-act

Defended Voting Rights Against Voter Suppression Efforts: Sanders earned the endorsement of radical rapper Killer Mike by his leadership on defending the Voter Rights Act and calling for expanding voting rights. http://inthesetimes.com/article/1812...bernie-sanders

And the list goes on and on and on, so don't believe everything you read from right wingers because they honestly are speaking out of their fat white arses.

Excellent post DR, you always do come up trumps with rational, reasoned and factual responses.
Anyone can say there has been little done and yet it should be acknowledged those that do wish for change are still fighting against the tide.
What else can one man do but garner support and raise awareness?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by lostalex

yup, you are right kirk.

i've noticed all the bernie supporters are just supporting him based on their Facebook friends, it;'s so trendy right now. but they have no idea about the actual issues.

i thank you for being a member of this forum that doesn't just go along with what their Facebook friends post. You seem to actually have the ability to think for yourself.

Thank you Alex. I like to believe that I think for myself. I would be a hell of a lot more 'popular' on here if I 'went with the flow' I suspect.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I do not "believe everything I "read from right wingers" and it is both arrogant and presumptious of you to offer me advice on that matter.

What's the real reason you don't like this man then? Did you really know all about him? the things he'd done? what he'd achieved and tried to achieve? He's an American socialist but that makes him about as socialist as Thatcher.

Nor am I "jumping on" any "smear campaign".

You're not? then why did you quote Alex's smear post and say, "Er....He once helped a black man get a Janitor's job?"

I suspect the REAL reasons behind his embarrassing video appeal is nothing more than personal political survival, and though I was not aware of ALL which you post above, I am now even LESS enamoured of him, because some of the organisations who 'endorse' him are - in my opinion - highly suspect themselves, so now I think he is a seriously dangerous 'leftie' who, too readily it seems, ass-licks any ass just as long as it's gaining him personal credit.

So he's damned if he didn't and now he's damned cos he does...thought so