[hot2go]

Poor Heavy D, poor poor poor Heavy D ..,, Christ anyone would think he was a Victorian Child with two weeks to live... He's a wind up just like Bear ... Not my choice, I prefer Bears version, but each to their own.. But people saying he's a victim is as ridiculous as saying Bear is a victim.... They are both agitators who deserve more retaliation than they are currently receiving from some of those dreary pathetic housemates.
If Heavy D comes out a victim and Bear comes out a Wind Up then Heavys fans will have done him a great injustice IMO....

[chuff me dizzy]

Is he chufferslike a victim,hes a nasty, loud mouthed arrogant twat !!

[Liam-]

He's been relentlessly bullied by Bear and his gang of thugs, so yes he's a victim, but I like that he doesn't act like one.

[DanielM787]

Originally Posted by Liam-

He's been relentlessly bullied by Bear and his gang of thugs, so yes he's a victim, but I like that he doesn't act like one.

[Cherie]

He is not a victim per we because he stands up for himself, and he seems to have developed deflection tactics, however some people in there have tried to bully him because he is a rather isolated figure and an easy target as he can be very annoying

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Cherie

He is not a victim per we because he stands up for himself, and he seems to have developed deflection tactics, however some people in there have tried to bully him because he is a rather isolated figure and an easy target as he can be very annoying

I hated him on storage hunters but find his antics on here mildly amusing. Wouldn't ask him to dinner but I like his wind ups. Backed him at big odds as well.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Liam-

He's been relentlessly bullied by Bear and his gang of thugs, so yes he's a victim, but I like that he doesn't act like one.

Wasn't he good friends with them just a few days ago? How has he been relentlessly bullied by them?

I seem to recall Lewis, Bear and Heavy D hounding James in the kitchen knowing full well it was getting on his tits.

I also see that Heavy D has continually been getting Saira's name wrong (almost certainly on purpose) and then just laughs in her face when she tells him to stop.

Could it not be the case that because some of you here believe Heavy D is slightly retarded you just label him a victim even when at times he actually looks to be quite aggressive and obnoxious himself?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Wasn't he good friends with them just a few days ago? How has he been relentlessly bullied by them?

I seem to recall Lewis, Bear and Heavy D hounding James in the kitchen knowing full well it was getting on his tits.

I also see that Heavy D has continually been getting Saira's name wrong (almost certainly on purpose) and then just laughs in her face when she tells him to stop.

Could it not be the case that because some of you here believe Heavy D is slightly retarded you just label him a victim even when at times he actually looks to be quite aggressive and obnoxious himself?

He plays on the "Im a thicko " act and its working !!

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Wasn't he good friends with them just a few days ago? How has he been relentlessly bullied by them?

I seem to recall Lewis, Bear and Heavy D hounding James in the kitchen knowing full well it was getting on his tits.

I also see that Heavy D has continually been getting Saira's name wrong (almost certainly on purpose) and then just laughs in her face when she tells him to stop.

Could it not be the case that because some of you here believe Heavy D is slightly retarded you just label him a victim even when at times he actually looks to be quite aggressive and obnoxious himself?

This is how I see it too....he's playing a character...A simpleton with a big body and a big heart....like everyone's favourite character in The Green Mile....and everyone is falling for it....or should I say a lot of people are falling for it...they are his housemates not his carers, I see no reason to treat him any differently and even less reason to not give him a taste of his own medicine like Saira did last night.....if Renee had done that to Bear I would have laughed like a drain, at both of them...I can't decide if labelling him a victim is an injustice to his image or if it's playing straight into his plan....either way I don't respect the claims about his victimisation.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Liam-

He's been relentlessly bullied by Bear and his gang of thugs, so yes he's a victim, but I like that he doesn't act like one.

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[Mick]

I feel a very interesting HM who i still cannot figure out.Sometimes i think Sad Clown but other occasions is it all a "smart" game play.I have not watched his TV program how does he appear on that.?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Mick

I feel a very interesting HM who i still cannot figure out.Sometimes i think Sad Clown but other occasions is it all a "smart" game play.I have not watched his TV program how does he appear on that.?

100% Gameplay

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Mick

I feel a very interesting HM who i still cannot figure out.Sometimes i think Sad Clown but other occasions is it all a "smart" game play.I have not watched his TV program how does he appear on that.?

Yes, sad clown is a good observation. It's like the persona of the loud, annoying, fun-loving Heavy D has been created and is being used to protect the more vulnerable and isolated Colin. I believe a few people were suggesting something similar yesterday.

[joeysteele]

I think he brings his isolation at times on himself.

Such as last night he was really annoying too.
Saira was talking to Bear but he kept sticking his nose in with comments.
He continued even after she told him not to and that she was only talking to Bear.
He also, in my view, is not a victim at all although he plays on being one.

As to why he acts like he does,just as with a good number of them in there, to probably get airtime.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think he brings his isolation at times on himself.

Such as last night he was really annoying too.
Saira was talking to Bear but he kept sticking his nose in with comments.
He continued even after she told him not to and that she was only talking to Bear.
He also, in my view, is not a victim at all although he plays on being one.

As to why he acts like he does,just as with a good number of them in there, to probably get airtime.

She sat down in the smoking group, if she wanted to address Bears chance of winning on a one to one she should have taken him aside, she didn't like Heavy pointing out that she shouldn't really be concerned about Bear winning which of course she isn't really, so she hated him for vocalising it, and for someone who says others are rude she rudely shut him down, she puts herself and her actions on a higher pedestal when in reality she is no different and has the same reactions as others do in there

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

She sat down in the smoking group, if she wanted to address Bears chance of winning on a one to one she should have taken him aside, she didn't like Heavy pointing out that she shouldn't really be concerned about Bear winning which of course she isn't really, so she hated him for vocalising it, and for someone who says others are rude she rudely shut him down, she puts herself and her actions on a higher pedestal when in reality she is no different and has the same reactions as others do in there

Oh I agree mostly.
However even if I am out with Friends at a club, pub or restaurant and 2 of them are talking directly to each other, I would not butt in the conversation unless asked to or was asked for my opinion.

Just as I would not expect any of them to butt into mine,were talking directly to another person there.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Oh I agree mostly.
However even if I am out with Friends at a club, pub or restaurant and 2 of them are talking directly to each other, I would not butt in the conversation unless asked to or was asked for my opinion.

Just as I would not expect any of them to butt into mine,were talking directly to another person there.

They weren't having a two way conversation though Saira was just lecturing Bear on her winning techniques


Not a peep on LW about Saira I guess they are embarrassed

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They weren't having a two way conversation though Saira was just lecturing Bear on her winning techniques


Not a peep on LW about Saira I guess they are embarrassed

I noticed that re LW. I am wondering if Saira is actually tanking her own career the longer she stays in the house.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

She sat down in the smoking group, if she wanted to address Bears chance of winning on a one to one she should have taken him aside, she didn't like Heavy pointing out that she shouldn't really be concerned about Bear winning which of course she isn't really, so she hated him for vocalising it, and for someone who says others are rude she rudely shut him down, she puts herself and her actions on a higher pedestal when in reality she is no different and has the same reactions as others do in there

[Robodog]

I am the first one to moan about the over use of the words victim and bully (especially on BB) but..

Lewis making Heavy D beg and say please and thank you for a half drunk glass of stolen wine - that was deliberate intimidation and bullying behaviour from Lewis, aimed intentionally at making Heavy feel and look small.

Saira standing over Heavy with her foot on his bed, ignoring him when he asked her to leave him alone and saying 'i can go where i like, what you gonna do about it', then threatening to burst his balloon, intimidating him, making him say what she wanted to hear including 'say my name SAY MY NAME' (even though she called him Bear in the same convo) - THAT was also intimidating, bullying behaviour, designed to make him feel small.

Heavy is annoying and is not acting the victim at all. But he has been repeatedly talked to and treated like dirt by both Lewis and Saira.

It's best not to pigeon hole people as 'bullies and victims', it's not black and white, we are all capable of being good and bad. But there is certain behaviour that is out of order and crosses the line.

So far Lewis and Saira have acted in a way designed to intimidate and cause deliberate upset to others. Particularly they have aimed this cruelty at Heavy D.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Robodog

I am the first one to moan about the over use of the words victim and bully (especially on BB) but..

Lewis making Heavy D beg and say please and thank you for a half drunk glass of stolen wine - that was deliberate intimidation and bullying behaviour from Lewis, aimed intentionally at making Heavy feel and look small.

Saira standing over Heavy with her foot on his bed, ignoring him when he asked her to leave him alone and saying 'i can go where i like, what you gonna do about it', then threatening to burst his balloon, intimidating him, making him say what she wanted to hear including 'say my name SAY MY NAME' (even though she called him Bear in the same convo) - THAT was also intimidating, bullying behaviour, designed to make him feel small.

Heavy is annoying and is not acting the victim at all. But he has been repeatedly talked to and treated like dirt by both Lewis and Saira.

It's best not to pigeon hole people as 'bullies and victims', it's not black and white, we are all capable of being good and bad. But there is certain behaviour that is out of order and crosses the line.

So far Lewis and Saira have acted in a way designed to intimidate and cause deliberate upset to others. Particularly they have aimed this cruelty at Heavy D.

Hes a grown man and should have been taught manners when he was 2 yrs old, i would NEVER give someone something without they said Thank you

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Hes a grown man and should have been taught manners when he was 2 yrs old, i would NEVER give someone something without they said Thank you

Agreed again.
I would never have got anything if I didn't say please and thank you.
It is the very basic of good manners to say them.
I would never not use them.

[jet]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Hes a grown man and should have been taught manners when he was 2 yrs old, i would NEVER give someone something without they said Thank you

So theoretically if you stole more than your share of alcohol and someone begged you for a glass you wouldn't give it to them if they didn't say thank you? You would consider it bad manners on their behalf to ask for something which you stole off them in the first place.
I see. I'm getting you.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

So theoretically if you stole more than your share of alcohol and someone begged you for a glass you wouldn't give it to them if they didn't say thank you? You would consider it bad manners on their behalf to ask for something which you stole off them in the first place.
I see. I'm getting you.

It wasn't Ds wine ,and yes under any circumstance you say Thank you and please

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

It wasn't Ds wine ,and yes under any circumstance you say Thank you and please

Did you get the impression that Heavy D never or hardly ever says please or thank you and on that night Lewis had reached his tolerance level with Heavys ignorance ?
I know Lewis had earlier been in the diary room saying that he found Heavy D bad mannered, lazy and greedy. And earlier Heavy has upset Saira while in the company of Lewis.
And for sure, Heavy D didn't say please or thank you when he asked for and was given the wine....and the fact they had stolen it makes no difference cause he didn't know that at the time..