[the truth]

Now the left and corbyn love to protest against the mean establishment

the establishment is always criticized as those old Christian white men who have ruined us and the world for centuries etc

Always so simple to criticize those who have been in charge

OK so the left get into power and the country falls to pieces..ok we have gay marriage which is good and banned fox hunting, a pretty pathetic sum total for their 13 years in power .now we have the rich serving upper class elite running the show again


Now the left are back to protesting everything and taking the sanctimonious high ground, which they somehow feel entitled too, usually because they are willing to waste public money to appear kind and generous

My question to the politically correct, is if you are ruling the country, where do you draw the line with political correctness and open borders freedom of religious choices etc?

When 10 million population rose in 15 years...The left ignored the effect this had..Yes they point to the fact most immigrants work...But they constantly ignored the fact this drove wages down for the less educated and it take take away the manual jobs. Ok the left says people here wont do them, after a massive rise in benefits and absurd benefits rules, these people couldnt afford to risk going to work. So the left disincentivised people from taking manual jobs, then opened the borders and they didnt see a problem coming. anyone who questioned the masterplan was labelled racist by labour. as they passed 1000s of new laws eroiding free speech and civil rights


Ok so where does it end? When we see more and more islamic schools, more schools exposed as forcing this religion on their pupils....when we see more sharia law here? The set of beliefs for the hardline fundamentalists appear to not be open to compromise with some of our laws and cultures....At what point do we ever actually say , this is what we believe, this is the line past which we cannot cross? Or do the left in particular simply want to see us with different laws for different groups of people , lest we forget there are also laws for travellers....

I just cant figure out the left and their masterplan? To enslave us to the whims of globalization, do nothing for local people? nothing for industrial jobs? To bankrupt local councils with meteoric wage rises? to preach aboiut political correctness at home, yet bomb illegally abroad? and to give up whats left of the country to an unelected anti-democratic unaccounted european union which simply serves us up to the corporations on a plate?

While all this is going on all corbyn talks about is grammar schools and workers rights....workers rights become almost meaningless if the entire world is controlled by price fixing corporate cartels with politicians in their pockets. Where are the monopolies commissions to limit this frightening global takeover

the last irony of all , much of the left and the liberals support the EU it seems in these negotiations, saying yes its right they charge us £60 billion. If you leave a club you must pay £60 billion 1) why didnt they mention that in their campaign 2) if we should pay to join or leave, why shouldnt people who arrive to the UK pay into the pot for a period of time in order to qualify for everything the same as everyone else? Why didnt labour deal with that? Even claiming back travel insurance has been overlooked by our NHS for years....Not to forget that NHS trusts fail to recoup private home care insurance in many cases. wasting us billions overall

[jennyjuniper]

I agree wholeheartedly with this Truth.

[thesheriff443]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions!.

Lee rigbys killer has been moved to broadmoor, that will cost the tax payer 250 thousand a year.

A family friend who is a junkie just got 7 grand as a back payment he blew the lot in two weeks, he gets 600 a fortnight to blow on drink and drugs, lives rent free in a bungalow with other junkies and they have someone cooking them meals 7 days a week.

And yet disabled people are being tortured into work.

Doctors cut of an arm to to save the body.

[DemolitionRed]

What was the question?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

What was the question?

ah the classic new labour fall back position, avoid the facts duck the truth, play dumb and hope no one notices

[Withano]

I think it was LT that said "if you cant make your point in 100 words, you've probably missed it"

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Withano

I think it was LT that said "if you cant make your point in 100 words, you've probably missed it"

the question is in the title, 9 words
good attempt to avoid the question though

[Withano]

Originally Posted by the truth

Now the left and corbyn love to protest against the mean establishment

Like right off the bat this is inaccurate, which might explain the very few responses. The only political party led protests that I can remember being carried out recently were by right wing parties like EDL and Britain First. The anti-establishment vote went to UKIP, another right wing party. Odd.

the establishment is always criticized as those old Christian white men who have ruined us and the world for centuries etc

Always so simple to criticize those who have been in charge

Literally never heard anybody criticise it this way.

OK so the left get into power and the country falls to pieces..ok we have gay marriage which is good and banned fox hunting, a pretty pathetic sum total for their 13 years in power .now we have the rich serving upper class elite running the show again

Are you calling tories left wing too? This is very hard to keep up with. Your personal definition of left wingedness would be helpful please.

Now the left are back to protesting everything and taking the sanctimonious high ground, which they somehow feel entitled too, usually because they are willing to waste public money to appear kind and generous

The only large marches that I can remember recently included both left and right wing people, which is why your personal definition of left wingedness would be helpful if you want people to respond. The only small protests I can remember were entirely right wing. I think this is more confirmation bias than anything else, you should work on this.

My question to the politically correct, is if you are ruling the country, where do you draw the line with political correctness and open borders freedom of religious choices etc?

Who is suggesting change? A country without any political correctness would be incredibly dark, I'm sure youre not suggesting that. A world with more political correctness sounds like it would be snowflakier than this post of yours, cant imagine many would want that. I dont think change is a priority, or at all needed? What changes are you proposing? And are all right wing proposing the same change in your opinion?

When 10 million population rose in 15 years...The left ignored the effect this had..Yes they point to the fact most immigrants work...But they constantly ignored the fact this drove wages down for the less educated and it take take away the manual jobs.

Are you suggesting all right wing people are uneducated and do the manual jobs, thats entirely inaccurate and a bit rude. We'll skip this point, I dont think youve thought about it.

Ok the left says people here wont do them, after a massive rise in benefits and absurd benefits rules, these people couldnt afford to risk going to work. So the left disincentivised people from taking manual jobs, then opened the borders and they didnt see a problem coming. anyone who questioned the masterplan was labelled racist by labour. as they passed 1000s of new laws eroiding free speech and civil rights

I think most of this only went on in your head, you should work on this.

Ok so where does it end? When we see more and more islamic schools, more schools exposed as forcing this religion on their pupils....

I went to a Catholic school, I didnt see it as an evil institution despite the bible being the most violent book in religious history. Thats probably because the school would have been shut down if children didnt learn the alphabet or the school didnt abide by the national curriculum. I think this requires more thought on your part. There will always be a demand for catholic schools, so it wouldnt make sense to shut them.

when we see more sharia law here? The set of beliefs for the hardline fundamentalists appear to not be open to compromise with some of our laws and cultures....

Simply paranoia, you should work on this

At what point do we ever actually say , this is what we believe, this is the line past which we cannot cross? Or do the left in particular simply want to see us with different laws for different groups of people , lest we forget there are also laws for travellers....

I think with things like this we should look at it from the perspective of actual reality, you should do this too.

I just cant figure out the left and their masterplan?

Do all right wing people share the same masterplan? No? Why would you presume all left wing people share a masterplan (again, your definition of left wingedness might be helpful, i have a feeling you mean everyone apart from UKIP, EDL, and Britain First - and the country, quite unanimously opposes a lot of their policies, so in that sense, perhaps thats the masterplan, less facism in general? Idk, this is ridiculous, I dont know why Im humouring you, it didnt seem like such a big task when I started)

To enslave us to the whims of globalization, do nothing for local people? nothing for industrial jobs? To bankrupt local councils with meteoric wage rises? to preach aboiut political correctness at home, yet bomb illegally abroad? and to give up whats left of the country to an unelected anti-democratic unaccounted european union which simply serves us up to the corporations on a plate?

Perspective of reality, and less paranoia I suppose are your take home messages from me.

While all this is going on all corbyn talks about is grammar schools and workers rights....workers rights become almost meaningless if the entire world is controlled by price fixing corporate cartels with politicians in their pockets. Where are the monopolies commissions to limit this frightening global takeover

This seems like a different point, one directed by paranoia, you should work on this

the last irony of all , much of the left and the liberals support the EU it seems in these negotiations, saying yes its right they charge us £60 billion. If you leave a club you must pay £60 billion 1) why didnt they mention that in their campaign 2) if we should pay to join or leave, why shouldnt people who arrive to the UK pay into the pot for a period of time in order to qualify for everything the same as everyone else? Why didnt labour deal with that? Even claiming back travel insurance has been overlooked by our NHS for years....Not to forget that NHS trusts fail to recoup private home care insurance in many cases. wasting us billions overall

I really need your personal definition of left wingedness to answer any of this. Labour literally technically arent left wing, and the tories definitely arent lol? If I were you, and if I wanted to discuss any of these points with anybody, I'd probably clarify your personal definition of left wing at the top of your OP. it seems like you're bringing up right and left wing issues, actually just every issue that youve ever had, but blaming only the left.. which doesnt make sense under the literal definition of left wing.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Withano

Like right off the bat this is inaccurate, which might explain the very few responses. The only political party led protests that I can remember being carried out recently were by right wing parties like EDL and Britain First. The anti-establishment vote went to UKIP, another right wing party. Odd.



Literally never heard anybody criticise it this way.

lol You have got to be kidding me, its repeated day after day ad nauseum


Are you calling tories left wing too? This is very hard to keep up with. Your personal definition of left wingedness would be helpful please.

Thats right play dumb


The only large marches that I can remember recently included both left and right wing people, which is why your personal definition of left wingedness would be helpful if you want people to respond. The only small protests I can remember were entirely right wing. I think this is more confirmation bias than anything else, you should work on this.


Again that is totally wrong, the left protest marches are endless , they often chant 1 meaningless sloga, fail to put across a cohesive argument and simply try and intimidate and bully in numbers or in unions. It was labout who signed the doctors contract allowing 90% of gp's to avoid all out of hours work. This created the current junior doctors disaster, yet no one in labour acknowledged this FACT. They isntead do their marches, ignore the truth and basically go back to default smug, holier than thou , sanctimonious deluded mode. oh and the hospitals were filtier under them, chief execs and management wages doubled, abuses rose, endless cover ups, systematic bullying, mrsa etc etc etc

Who is suggesting change? A country without any political correctness would be incredibly dark, I'm sure youre not suggesting that. A world with more political correctness sounds like it would be snowflakier than this post of yours, cant imagine many would want that. I dont think change is a priority, or at all needed? What changes are you proposing? And are all right wing proposing the same change in your opinion?


Meaningless paragraph. Answer the actual questions stop squirming

Are you suggesting all right wing people are uneducated and do the manual jobs, thats entirely inaccurate and a bit rude. We'll skip this point, I dont think youve thought about it.

What nonsense

I think most of this only went on in your head, you should work on this.

delusion and avoidance as usual

I went to a Catholic school, I didnt see it as an evil institution despite the bible being the most violent book in religious history. Thats probably because the school would have been shut down if children didnt learn the alphabet or the school didnt abide by the national curriculum. I think this requires more thought on your part. There will always be a demand for catholic schools, so it wouldnt make sense to shut them.


The Bible tells stories some of which are violent as in everyday life, violence exists, so youre point is again non existent
Simply paranoia, you should work on this

You should work on your fickleness and your delusion



I think with things like this we should look at it from the perspective of actual reality, you should do this too.

You dont thats why youre on the left


Do all right wing people share the same masterplan? No? Why would you presume all left wing people share a masterplan (again, your definition of left wingedness might be helpful, i have a feeling you mean everyone apart from UKIP, EDL, and Britain First - and the country, quite unanimously opposes a lot of their policies, so in that sense, perhaps thats the masterplan, less facism in general? Idk, this is ridiculous, I dont know why Im humouring you, it didnt seem like such a big task when I started)

Youre ridiculous and youre avoiding the question, Ive no idea why Im humouring a poster incapable of sincerity



Perspective of reality, and less paranoia I suppose are your take home messages from me.

Take your own messages
This seems like a different point, one directed by paranoia, you should work on this



I really need your personal definition of left wingedness to answer any of this. Labour literally technically arent left wing, and the tories definitely arent lol? If I were you, and if I wanted to discuss any of these points with anybody, I'd probably clarify your personal definition of left wing at the top of your OP. it seems like you're bringing up right and left wing issues, actually just every issue that youve ever had, but blaming only the left.. which doesnt make sense under the literal definition of left wing.

Sad and deluded and totally avoided all points intitally made and as always you ducked the actual question in spineless fashion to try and play to the liberal audience

[Withano]

Originally Posted by the truth

Sad and deluded and totally avoided all points intitally made and as always you ducked the actual question in spineless fashion to try and play to the liberal audience

Your points were unclear and senseless, I answered them as best as I could.

Your main question for the post (somehow, you brought up a lot of irrelevant external points) was where is the line on PC. My followup question was who is trying to move the line? Are you? I'm not, and I don't know any left wing person that is. Does this answer the question? Lines fine as it is.

Also, you never defined your idea of left wingedness, so I cant comment on your followup points. You mentioned gay marriage, which was brought in by tories, you brought up he effects of Brexit which was directed by the tories, and you suggested that these are things that the left have brought. Do you consider the conservative party to be left wing? That would explain why you think that only the left participate in the larger protests, but then again, including the conservatives as left, as well as anybody more left than this accounts for like 80% of the country, so its not much of a point to discuss. I dont understand what you consider to be left wing, so nobody can really comment on any of your points thus far.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Withano

Your points were unclear and senseless, I answered them as best as I could.

Your main question for the post (somehow, you brought up a lot of irrelevant external points) was where is the line on PC. My followup question was who is trying to move the line? Are you? I'm not, and I don't know any left wing person that is. Does this answer the question? Lines fine as it is.

Also, you never defined your idea of left wingedness, so I cant comment on your followup points. You mentioned gay marriage, which was brought in by tories, you brought up he effects of Brexit which was directed by the tories, and you suggested that these are things that the left have brought. Do you consider the conservative party to be left wing? That would explain why you think that only the left participate in the larger parties, but then again, including the conservatives as left, as well as anybody more left than this accounts for like 80% of the country, so its not much of a point to discuss. I dont understand what you consider to be left wing, so nobody can really comment on any of your points thus far.

yet again youre being insincere and trolling and of course avoiding the question. Its oh so predictable , fake and boring. Its pointless discussing with someone like you who simply wont address the actual thread. So I wont.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by the truth

You didnt you avoided it in the most cowardly of fashions boy

Originally Posted by Withano

Who is suggesting change? A country without any political correctness would be incredibly dark, I'm sure youre not suggesting that. A world with more political correctness sounds like it would be snowflakier than this post of yours, cant imagine many would want that. I dont think change is a priority, or at all needed? What changes are you proposing? And are all right wing proposing the same change in your opinion?
.

Originally Posted by Withano

Your main question for the post (somehow, you brought up a lot of irrelevant external points) was where is the line on PC. My followup question was who is trying to move the line? Are you? I'm not, and I don't know any left wing person that is. Does this answer the question? Lines fine as it is.
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I answered your main question twice in this thread, best friend. Its just that you're too tired to read it or sumin.
I also answered other questions that you had. Your response to them was baffling, but I should have saw the possibility of you only wanting praise and not discussions coming.
Enough with the insults there too, wouldnt want to get yourself a ban there.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Withano

I answered your main question twice in this thread, best friend. Its just that you're too tired to read it or sumin.
I also answered other questions that you had. Your response to them was baffling, but I should have saw the possibility of you only wanting praise and not discussions coming.
Enough with the insults there too, wouldnt want to get yourself a ban there.

No didnt you just trolled and the mods let you?

[jaxie]

Interesting to read your thoughts Truth. Thanks for sharing.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by the truth

Now the left and corbyn love to protest against the mean establishment

the establishment is always criticized as those old Christian white men who have ruined us and the world for centuries etc

Always so simple to criticize those who have been in charge

OK so the left get into power and the country falls to pieces..ok we have gay marriage which is good and banned fox hunting, a pretty pathetic sum total for their 13 years in power .now we have the rich serving upper class elite running the show again


Now the left are back to protesting everything and taking the sanctimonious high ground, which they somehow feel entitled too, usually because they are willing to waste public money to appear kind and generous

My question to the politically correct, is if you are ruling the country, where do you draw the line with political correctness and open borders freedom of religious choices etc?

When 10 million population rose in 15 years...The left ignored the effect this had..Yes they point to the fact most immigrants work...But they constantly ignored the fact this drove wages down for the less educated and it take take away the manual jobs. Ok the left says people here wont do them, after a massive rise in benefits and absurd benefits rules, these people couldnt afford to risk going to work. So the left disincentivised people from taking manual jobs, then opened the borders and they didnt see a problem coming. anyone who questioned the masterplan was labelled racist by labour. as they passed 1000s of new laws eroiding free speech and civil rights


Ok so where does it end? When we see more and more islamic schools, more schools exposed as forcing this religion on their pupils....when we see more sharia law here? The set of beliefs for the hardline fundamentalists appear to not be open to compromise with some of our laws and cultures....At what point do we ever actually say , this is what we believe, this is the line past which we cannot cross? Or do the left in particular simply want to see us with different laws for different groups of people , lest we forget there are also laws for travellers....

I just cant figure out the left and their masterplan? To enslave us to the whims of globalization, do nothing for local people? nothing for industrial jobs? To bankrupt local councils with meteoric wage rises? to preach aboiut political correctness at home, yet bomb illegally abroad? and to give up whats left of the country to an unelected anti-democratic unaccounted european union which simply serves us up to the corporations on a plate?

While all this is going on all corbyn talks about is grammar schools and workers rights....workers rights become almost meaningless if the entire world is controlled by price fixing corporate cartels with politicians in their pockets. Where are the monopolies commissions to limit this frightening global takeover

the last irony of all , much of the left and the liberals support the EU it seems in these negotiations, saying yes its right they charge us £60 billion. If you leave a club you must pay £60 billion 1) why didnt they mention that in their campaign 2) if we should pay to join or leave, why shouldnt people who arrive to the UK pay into the pot for a period of time in order to qualify for everything the same as everyone else? Why didnt labour deal with that? Even claiming back travel insurance has been overlooked by our NHS for years....Not to forget that NHS trusts fail to recoup private home care insurance in many cases. wasting us billions overall

They are incapable of drawing a line, something they have demonstrated time and time again. It's almost as if it is some kind of competition that each generation needs to prove it's superiority when it comes to empathy and compassion.

Every generation will make it's mistakes and hopefully learn from them - we have to hope this generation can do the same before they do too much damage. In the meantime the rest of us us have to fight the good fight.

[Withano]

I literally answered the main question multiple times, and most of your other questions once. Your comprehension skills need a polish young man.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Withano

I literally answered the main question multiple times, and most of your other questions once. Your comprehension skills need a polish young man.

You didnt you avoided it in the most cowardly of fashions boy

[smudgie]

I personally draw it at common sense.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I personally draw it at common sense.

But common sense is oh-so uncommon...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But common sense is oh-so uncommon...

Trigger points and safe spaces = no common sense

Uni's need to stop this nonsense and get on with the process of teaching and preparing these ultra-sensitive individuals for the real world.

[Beso]

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About 28 miles back from where it is now.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Trigger points and safe spaces = no common sense

Uni's need to stop this nonsense and get on with the process of teaching and preparing these ultra-sensitive individuals for the real world.

"I dEMAND A SAFE SPACE TO PROTECT ME FROM UNIVERSITYS SAFE SPACES"

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Trigger points and safe spaces = no common sense

Uni's need to stop this nonsense and get on with the process of teaching and preparing these ultra-sensitive individuals for the real world.

Truth is a good example of needing a safe space because anyone who contradicts what he says has a trigger effect

[DemolitionRed]

What really gets me with all this PC is a left wing thing is, why do so many right wing thinkers on here hit report when someone says something they consider none pc? That's a genuine question by the way. I've never met so many sensitive souls on a debate channel before.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

What really gets me with all this PC is a left wing thing is, why do so many right wing thinkers on here hit report when someone says something they consider none pc? That's a genuine question by the way. I've never met so many sensitive souls on a debate channel before.

I think you'll find it's more the left leaners pushing that button than anyone else. What evidence do you have that it's the 'right thinkers'- just because they complain of their annoyance at some trying to label them as bigots etc doesn't equate to them using the report button.

My experience and of others I have spoken to it is the left thinkers more inclined to report people for trivial things - hence why more 'right thinkers' get banned.