[vesavius]

She is unbelievable.

SHE started it and SHE planted the seeds of it all, yet when others pick up on her installed ideas she switches on them so that they are now in the wrong and she maintains her place of virtuous sanctity.

I think even Lily was thinking wtf.

[Jordan.]

Ali has been growing on me again recently but this was ridiculous

[Lostie!]

"her installed ideas" lmao yes because it's entirely inconceivable that anybody else would find fault with Khaled without her doing it first

But I mean, if she is as influential as her detractors seem to think, I love that for her.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Ali has been growing on me again recently but this was ridiculous

A few days of play nice and kind edits and people forget who she is.

[Father Chris Mouse]

She literally plants all these seeds, then completely removes herself from any responsibility. She's unbelievably manipulative

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

... that anybody else would find fault with Khaled without her doing it first

She literally did it first

[Rustic bauble]

Originally Posted by vesavius

She is unbelievable.

SHE started it and SHE planted the seeds of it all, yet when others pick up on her installed ideas she switches on them so that they are now in the wrong and she maintains her place of virtuous sanctity.

I think even Lily was thinking wtf.

I totally agree…as for Lily..she just agrees with everything she says because she’s oblivious of Ali’s hypocrisy.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

I just watched this scene with Lily. I think that it just comes natural to Ali to have to go back to things and refocus past events for other people. This is just part of her character. So much so, I don't even register it as an annoyance anymore ... It's just a thing Ali does.

She could've said what she said about Khaled's struggles in the house and left it there, but made it dovetail into being about the contrast between them and her... of course the others being worse...

Lily is just being supportive of her friend and I don't fault her for listening. It would be different if she started to get involved in the point scoring... so far it feels like Lily has backed away from that behavior as she's integrated better with the rest of the group. And that's good, it should be about her and her time in there, not just Ali's...

Ali could learn from Lily and stop focusing so much on the past... Dean was a history textbook of grievances so having him leave, at least, there's now Lily leaving a better influence, of all people. So I think that Lily is actually better for her to be around now than when Dean was around, she was more of a follower... I feel like of all people there, Lily is up there in having grown the most in her time in the house.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by vesavius

She is unbelievable.

SHE started it and SHE planted the seeds of it all, yet when others pick up on her installed ideas she switches on them so that they are now in the wrong and she maintains her place of virtuous sanctity.

I think even Lily was thinking wtf.

Ali's just a lost soul to Twitter unfortunately.

It's going to take a lot of effort to get her back to reality and making logical sense with her behaviour.

[GlitterUK]

All part of her gameplan, plant the seeds and get others to do her dirty work then sit back and play the innocent one.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by GlitterUK

All part of her gameplan, plant the seeds and get others to do her dirty work then sit back and play the innocent one.

Might be it worked in the house but everyone outside has her clocked

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by vesavius

A few days of play nice and kind edits and people forget who she is.

All Lily contributed to the conversation is " yeah " LOL, their conversations are so weird , it's literally just Ali repeating what she thinks of housemates & analysing them.

I think she genuinely felt sorry for Khaled in the garden task ,her face was very revealing...she looked a bit taken a back by Sarah's joke/ comments.

But it is interesting...how Ali instigated the whole Khaled fake / vain seed in people's heads,now she's like " oh it's too much him hearing it from others" . It's a bit like throwing a grenade...and then trying to take back the damage you've already caused.

Even when she's complimenting Marcello, she's still bringing up the fact he " holds a grudge", but doesn't that mean she herself holds a bit of a grudge...as he's tried a few times to start a fresh with her ,and she was frosty .

It seems now that it's final week,and he's HOH... we're going to be seeing more housemates suck up to Marcello I can tell.

[Cherry Christmas]

She was trying to manipulate Lily to nominate Sarah, I think Lily already has her two nominees Segun and Thomas

[The Human Santapede]

Originally Posted by Cherie

She was trying to manipulate Lily to nominate Sarah, I think Lily already has her two nominees Segun and Thomas

I think she’ll nominate Thomas and Sarah. She’s nominated Sarah before.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Cherie

She was trying to manipulate Lily to nominate Sarah, I think Lily already has her two nominees Segun and Thomas

Same. She does this a lot to Lily, tbh.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But it is interesting...how Ali instigated the whole Khaled fake / vain seed in people's heads,now she's like " oh it's too much him hearing it from others" . It's a bit like throwing a grenade...and then trying to take back the damage you've already caused.

Even when she's complimenting Marcello, she's still bringing up the fact he " holds a grudge", but doesn't that mean she herself holds a bit of a grudge...as he's tried a few times to start a fresh with her ,and she was frosty .

Yep, Ali is guilty of everything that she causes others of.

Give her a few days of play nice as her new strat and dull edits and a lot out there are forgetting this.

[Ray.]

Sorry, what clip are we talking about here? I feel outta the loop.

[Tizmee]

From Vesavius …


She is unbelievable.

SHE started it and SHE planted the seeds of it all, yet when others pick up on her installed ideas she switches on them so that they are now in the wrong and she maintains her place of virtuous sanctity.

I think even Lily was thinking wtf.



Ha! I couldn’t agree more with this comment!


Ali is the most vindictively clever piece of work and I, personally, cannot wait to see her evicted!

I think she has only attached herself to Lily (not that I’m a follower of her either) because she is the most vulnerable and most easily manipulated out of al of them!

She’s quite a cunning person! ….

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Might be it worked in the house but everyone outside has her clocked

Well the people outside seem to like her a lot ..

Ali is a close 4th favourite with this mornings ..


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[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Swan

She literally plants all these seeds, then completely removes herself from any responsibility. She's unbelievably manipulative

Yeah it's a bit like Cameron in a way BB19 , wasn't he telling Tomasz he was paranoid about Akeem's game plan...whilst he himself was slagging down Akeem.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ray.

Sorry, what clip are we talking about here? I feel outta the loop.

…I’m also out of the loop and sitting with Ray…when was this said/who was it said to….did I miss it in a HL show…?…

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Ray.

Sorry, what clip are we talking about here? I feel outta the loop.

Last night with Ali talking to Lily about how it's a bit much for Khaled to keep hearing he's fake & playing up for the cameras.

And we're also thinking about tonight's upcoming ....with Nathan slagging down Khaled again, and bitching to Ali about him. ie breaking nomination talk / rules.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I’m also out of the loop and sitting with Ray…when was this said/who was it said to….did I miss it in a HL show…?…

Talking in the bedroom, Ali and Lily discuss Khaled and the recent discussions around his character and behaviour.

Ali says: “Don’t you think Khaled’s getting a bit of a tough time now?”

Lily responds: “It’s true. People have said stuff about Khaled. As soon as Emma said it at the nomination, now it’s all coming out.”

Ali says: “And I don’t like it because I think it actually does upset him. And I’m like, one person can say during a task ‘this person plays up to the cameras’ and you can take it a bit on the chin. But it is a lot when you’re hearing it from multiple people at a time. It’s been said now. You don’t need to keep calling him vain and telling him that he’s looking in mirrors all the time.”

I mean, she called him all that multiple times to his face and behind his back.

Hint to Ali... It ALWAYS upset him. Not even a "I know now that I was wrong to do it".

[Rustic bauble]

Originally Posted by Tizmee

From Vesavius …


She is unbelievable.

SHE started it and SHE planted the seeds of it all, yet when others pick up on her installed ideas she switches on them so that they are now in the wrong and she maintains her place of virtuous sanctity.

I think even Lily was thinking wtf.



Ha! I couldn’t agree more with this comment!


Ali is the most vindictively clever piece of work and I, personally, cannot wait to see her evicted!

I think she has only attached herself to Lily (not that I’m a follower of her either) because she is the most vulnerable and most easily manipulated out of al of them!

She’s quite a cunning person! ….

…and Dean. She had the wet drip eating out of her hand.

[Rustic bauble]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Talking in the bedroom, Ali and Lily discuss Khaled and the recent discussions around his character and behaviour.

Ali says: “Don’t you think Khaled’s getting a bit of a tough time now?”

Lily responds: “It’s true. People have said stuff about Khaled. As soon as Emma said it at the nomination, now it’s all coming out.”

Ali says: “And I don’t like it because I think it actually does upset him. And I’m like, one person can say during a task ‘this person plays up to the cameras’ and you can take it a bit on the chin. But it is a lot when you’re hearing it from multiple people at a time. It’s been said now. You don’t need to keep calling him vain and telling him that he’s looking in mirrors all the time.”

I mean, she called him all that multiple times to his face and behind his back.

Hint to Ali... It ALWAYS upset him. Not even a "I know now that I was wrong to do it".

Being called vain is one thing…being called out as fake after a few days was another level…and that’s just what Ali did.