[Josy]

Well there is no denying Dan has been getting a lot of hate lately, lot's of people that initially liked him seem to have gone right off him over the past couple of days myself included so does anyone think he could turn it around and start gaining some of his fans back again?

What would it take for him to do this?

[joeysteele]

I have no idea where or why justifiably the acidic hate for Dan comes from and for me he has nothing to turn around anyway.

As with the criticisms of Aaron on here in his year,another housemate who was called sly and manipulative for supposedly scheming as to nominations and planning things behind others backs.
I believe and hope that where it really matters,with the public, that they support Dan hopefully some way as they did with Aaron all through the series.

On here, no he probably won't get it turned round.
Dan if he was proclaimed a Saint would still be public enemy number one with some just for breathing and existing likely.

[Johnnyuk123]

Once he leaves the house i might start liking him.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I have no idea where or why justifiably the acidic hate for Dan comes from and for me he has nothing to turn around anyway.

As with the criticisms of Aaron on here in his year,another housemate who was called sly and manipulative for supposedly scheming as to nominations and planning things behind others backs.
I believe and hope that where it really matters,with the public, that they support Dan hopefully some way as they did with Aaron all through the series.

On here, no he probably won't get it turned round.
Dan if he was proclaimed a Saint would still be public enemy number one with some just for breathing and existing likely.

Fair enough Joey, I know you still like Dan and you always stick by the HM's you support.

I can't speak for anyone else but I personally started going off Dan when the whole suggestions box task came about, I think he just became far too overly defensive for what got suggested about him, he protested to much imo after that more and more things started to irritate me with him then by the time he argued with Jemima I just never liked him as a hm.

[Vicky.]

Yup I went off him with the suggestion box thing too. And how he was mocking Dexter for stumbling on his words..even if Dexter was talking rubbish, I feel Dan was only taking the piss out of him to be in with Sallie.

[joeysteele]

Sorry Josy and Vicky but I see that incident differently,of course though I respect your view and changes of heart as to Dan,at least you 2 are not acidic about it. I I won't go into how I see it differently on here as I have detailed it endlessly on so many other hate filled Dan threads.

The only thing I will say, and those in the police force do have some sensitivities too being Human beings.
Dan being gay in the police force,may have for a good time in his training and afterwards come up against those who are anti gay activities.
The word bitch or bitchy may be something that has been used to ridicule Dan, possibly I add because I obviously don't know, for a fair amount of time during his time in the force.
He has left the force for some reason,no one really likely knows why but him and the force.

I can then see a likely bigger picture and realise that he too maybe had feelings that weren't considered when that message was written by Dexter.
Now I really like Dexter,he is my 2nd favourite in this series and if he had a genuine stammer I would have been the first to condemn Dan for maybe seeming to mock that.
Dexter does not have a stammer though, he talks perfectly eloquently on all his tales and on other issues all the time.

He was stumped because he had no credible argument or words to say to justify why he had said that as to Dan, hence his apology to Dan.
All credit to him for that, and furthermore more importantly his stating he was wrong in the words he used in the message too.
Even more credit to Dexter for that too.

That was only resolved because Dan did challenge him and they sorted it out, had they not, it would have likely built up into more animosity.
That is how I myself would prefer to resolve things and not just leave them too but I also think that house alters how you think and act anyway.

People are giving others the benefit of that but somehow not Dan, he just has to shut up, take all insults, and should say nothing or defend himself at all.
2 wrongs can never make a right for me I'm afraid.

Oh crumbs,I have detailed it near all again now sorry for that too.Hope you had your pillows if you bothered to read this post.

[reece(:]

I'm still a big fan and think he's even better than before for bringing more to the show in terms of entertainment value. People have gone off him because he's becoming opinionated.

[Dash Darington]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Sorry Josy and Vicky but I see that incident differently,of course though I respect your view and changes of heart as to Dan,at least you 2 are not acidic about it. I I won't go into how I see it differently on here as I have detailed it endlessly on so many other hate filled Dan threads.

The only thing I will say, and those in the police force do have some sensitivities too being Human beings.
Dan being gay in the police force,may have for a good time in his training and afterwards come up against those who are anti gay activities.
The word bitch or bitchy may be something that has been used to ridicule Dan, possibly I add because I obviously don't know, for a fair amount of time during his time in the force.
He has left the force for some reason,no one really likely knows why but him and the force.

I can then see a likely bigger picture and realise that he too maybe had feelings that weren't considered when that message was written by Dexter.
Now I really like Dexter,he is my 2nd favourite in this series and if he had a genuine stammer I would have been the first to condemn Dan for maybe seeming to mock that.
Dexter does not have a stammer though, he talks perfectly eloquently on all his tales and on other issues all the time.

He was stumped because he had no credible argument or words to say to justify why he had said that as to Dan, hence his apology to Dan.
All credit to him for that, and furthermore more importantly his stating he was wrong in the words he used in the message too.
Even more credit to Dexter for that too.

That was only resolved because Dan did challenge him and they sorted it out, had they not, it would have likely built up into more animosity.
That is how I myself would prefer to resolve things and not just leave them too but I also think that house alters how you think and act anyway.

People are giving others the benefit of that but somehow not Dan, he just has to shut up, take all insults, and should say nothing or defend himself at all.
2 wrongs can never make a right for me I'm afraid.

Oh crumbs,I have detailed it near all again now sorry for that too.Hope you had your pillows if you bothered to read this post.

What I get from all this is that you have to invent a fantasy scenario to justify Dan's behaviour.

[Dash Darington]

For the record, I don't think Dan's done anything terrible. He may find himself edited into a tyrant role in order for the others to have something to rebel against, but that doesn't make him a bad guy.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Originally Posted by reece(:

I'm still a big fan and think he's even better than before for bringing more to the show in terms of entertainment value. People have gone off him because he's becoming opinionated.

Exactly Reece, that's what i like most about Dan he doesn't sit on the fence in fear being nominated, he shares his opinions & says what he believes, well that's the way I see it anyway.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

What I get from all this is that you have to invent a fantasy scenario to justify Dan's behaviour.

No I just look at every possible angle of things, good and bad and I am a person who doesn't act in a way where I am quick to condemn,I prefert o build up not bring down.
I would rather if there are other certain, probable and even only possible reasons or things that can be considered as to how others are or behave,I then prefer to afford them the benefit of the doubt.

I am creating nothing or any fantasy,I am just looking at a bigger picture and not just a shapshot,taking all things into consideration.
The police and the armed forces, have records of not being that tolerant of people who are gay,even though many have ridden the storm of that and stayed in for a good while.
I am not saying this is the case,I am saying it may have been an issue at some point in Dan's career in the Police force and that is why he took more offence at the word 'bitchy' only, rather than all of the original message.

However From some of those who are really acidic against him, I can pick up a lot more as to fantasy posssibly there as to then saying how rotten he is, what a bad person he is.
It never ceases to amaze me that those who see the better side of Dan are seen as fantasists or toyallt wrong to do so while those who cannot stand him for whatever reasons invent all sorts and attack him endlessly in thread after thread that they choose to make too, yet they hate the guy.
When from my persepective of him I see nothing that he's doing that makes him either a bad or rotten person.

I find that incredible,but there it is, I have my view and my thinking and if I see anyone.anytime,anywhere in my life,be it in real life or the TV and media who I think is being criticised and really in a caustic way brought down unfairly, I will say so and counter balance that with how I see this situation as to them.

I also finally believe however, because of the intense training he will have had, certainly to get to Detective level, that is firmly now part of his make up, he will likely always be suspicious of people and events, I have heard the expression a policeman is never ever really off duty.
If that was something he could control while in the house,fine, however now after the Michael twist and events of the last week,he is likely to be more likely into investigation mode, he will possibly be like that all his life even though out of the force now.
The training he has had, all being part of his personality permanently.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

For the record, I don't think Dan's done anything terrible. He may find himself edited into a tyrant role in order for the others to have something to rebel against, but that doesn't make him a bad guy.

Absolutely, I hadn't considered that probability either, I am personally glad to see someone say he hasn't done anything terrible.
For me these are a good mix of housemates, some are still too quiet and a couple are not living up to expectations.
I do think though all bring something to the house this series.

However they are in a house that messes with your thinking and makes you act in often extreme ways.

Then as you say, we have BB and their own stamp being put on what we are allowed to see form all their editing of it.

[Kizzy]

Of course he can, he is intelligent and articulate, he reads people very well.
My guess is he will go very far if not win this.

[Becker]

Done with Dan. Aside from his sniping and belittling of other housemates which is an instant red card for me, I believe that somehow he knew all along about Michael, before he went in. We'll probably never know but i'm convinced he got told.Proper worm.

[joeysteele]

Well, Michael assured us on bbbots that none of the housemates knew of his role or were involved in it for any of his time in the house so for me that is good enough.
BB would never take that risk either in my opinion that anyone could really know.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by Josy

Well there is no denying Dan has been getting a lot of hate lately, lot's of people that initially liked him seem to have gone right off him over the past couple of days myself included so does anyone think he could turn it around and start gaining some of his fans back again?

What would it take for him to do this?

walk out of the house

[smeagol]

i think the arrogant superior im better than you cop mentality will be his downfall.
he could of turned it around but that will bring him back down everytime.
the guy ran across the room to sit and bitch on the live feed. that hasn't been shown yet , its things like that which will do him
even his bf on bbbots spoke sence and said wish he'd cool it and shut up. he knows

[Becker]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well, Michael assured us on bbbots that none of the housemates knew of his role or were involved in it for any of his time in the house so for me that is good enough.
BB would never take that risk either in my opinion that anyone could really know.

And I'd agree only for the fact that Dan went in on the second night and could have been informed somehow of what had happened the previous evening. Cant be 100% but the way he went on about it am believing he found out somehow.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Becker

And I'd agree only for the fact that Dan went in on the second night and could have been informed somehow of what had happened the previous evening. Cant be 100% but the way he went on about it am believing he found out somehow.

Sorry but I cannot see that at all.
BB is very careful to ensure housemates, before they go in, know nothing at all and they are kept away from all outside communication or any plans of the series.
Unless they may be possibly going in at a later time such as halfway through or later.
As with Faye's sister.

Dan went in with virtually another half of the total of housemates on the 2nd night, none of whom are suspected of knowing anything as to Michael despite the fact they will have all been segregated and treated the same as Dan before going in.
So why is Dan singled out as being given access to any possessively held plans for the series by BB.
No mileage in that for me at all, nor would it be for BB themselves either.

Had Dan been the only new housemate in on the 2nd night,I may have had some doubt but not when he went in with another half of the total house, no way.
However, what amazes me is that that would in any case be any valid reason not to like him.

Being fair,Sallie cottoned on almost as quickly as Dan, then we now have Gina who said nothing at the time, yet she says she had suspicions too, nearly from the start.
Both Gina and Sallie went in on the first night.
The only thing I can probably accept is that maybe Dan picked up on their feelings 'after' he went in the house and was then the one to really root it out to being near spot on in the end.
That scenario to me is far more likely than being able to learn anything at all before actually going in.

[aj2463]

I don't understand the hate, I'm the complete opposite to be honest, I wasn't too into him at first but I'd say he's easily one of my faves

[Fosse]

Dan is toast already.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Fosse

Dan is toast already.

I don't think so, not with the majority of the people who actually take the time to and pay to vote.
Likely on here he is toast, for reasons that are at any rate beyond my understanding or reasoning.
However again in my view, not thankfully with the public at large.I trust them.

[Patricia4]

Dont like him one bit.

[Benjamin]

I don't think he'll shift the hate he has built up, but I do see him being this years villian that makes it far.

[Scotty07]

Unlike Wolfy, there is still a chance I could end up liking him again.