[arista]

One legal expert said it can still go to court
without the Suspect there.


[Labour Lord Janner will not face prosecution
despite facing credible evidence
The Director of Public Prosecutions
says decision made with 'deep regret' ]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3XU35azTB

[joeysteele]

It would seem that errors were made years ago as to investigating this, you cannot really have a fair trial where the person is likely to be unable to understand the charges or in anyway be questioned as to them.

If his dementia is as bad as is stated then his time is likely short now in any event.

As wrong as it may seem for no charges being brought,it would in such a case, serve no likely interest,public or otherwise, to have a trial at this time, decades ago would have been a different matter.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It would seem that errors were made years ago as to investigating this, you cannot really have a fair trial where the person is likely to be unable to understand the charges or in anyway be questioned as to them.

If his dementia is as bad as is stated then his time is likely short now in any event.

As wrong as it may seem for no charges being brought,it would in such a case, serve no likely interest,public or otherwise, to have a trial at this time, decades ago would have been a different matter.

I think the fact that he was a Labour Peer is irrelevant.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I think the fact that he was a Labour Peer is irrelevant.

I agree, I think if that dossier mentioned a while ago was ever produced and acted upon, all parties would probably have skeletons in the cupboards as to previous 'dubious' activities.

From my law angle,I would be saying this as to anyone, if they couldn't now understand the charges or be questioned,or be able to answer same to the point of also not being able to understand the court proceedings.
Then unfortunate as that may be, they cannot get a fair trial,if they cannot understand or speak in defence of themselves.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree, I think if that dossier mentioned a while ago was ever produced and acted upon, all parties would probably have skeletons in the cupboards as to previous 'dubious' activities.

From my law angle,I would be saying this as to anyone, if they couldn't now understand the charges or be questioned,or be able to answer same to the point of also not being able to understand the court proceedings.
Then unfortunate as that may be, they cannot get a fair trial,if they cannot understand or speak in defence of themselves.

No argument from me there Joey. As you say, if he is suffering from Dementia then he is incapable of defending himself and as unfortunate for British Justice as this may be, the decision not to prosecute is the correct one.

I do not think that there is ANY institution in this country (or any other for that matter) where some of the 'members' do not have 'skeletons in the closet' - and that includes the Judiciary.

[arista]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

No argument from me there Joey. As you say, if he is suffering from Dementia then he is incapable of defending himself and as unfortunate for British Justice as this may be, the decision not to prosecute is the correct one.

I do not think that there is ANY institution in this country (or any other for that matter) where some of the 'members' do not have 'skeletons in the closet' - and that includes the Judiciary.

Wrong
it can still go ahead
without him in Court.

[arista]

"That would be ridiculous"

But its been done before with some Ill suspects
not in Court.

FACT


He can not answer any questions at all.

But the Public want the case in court

Watch Ch4HD News tonight

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"That would be ridiculous"

But its been done before with some Ill suspects
not in Court.

FACT


He can not answer any questions at all.

But the Public want the case in court

Watch Ch4HD News tonight

What has his Doctors said, they will have medical evidence to back it up, it is not easy to get out of going to court arista.

If he cannot answer questions and it is deemed he wouldn't understand the proceedings and therefore could not enter a plea even, how then could he 'stand' trial.
That is the operative and vital word, 'stand' trial.
An accused 'stands' trial,having the right to defend themselves,with dementia as bad as his is stated to be,he could not do so.

You cannot stand trial if you really,due to dementia,don't understand what is going on in the first place.

If the medical evidence is as strong as stated then the public will unfortunately in this case, be sorely disappointed.
If it went ahead, then was deemed on the trial date or even the entering of a plea date, that no fair trial could be conducted due to the dementia,then the public would moan even more at the costs and wasting of court time that may possibly be incurred.

Oh and your thread title is wrong, he is not guilty of anything yet, not even charged even,he would only be guilty if he was found so by a jury or pleaded guilty himself at a 'fair' trial where both sides were fully heard and considered.
The media are important at times but they have not yet, thank goodness, replaced the rule of law in the UK as to being judge and jury.

[arista]

Yes thats why the Evil Man is not in Court
Joey

[Kazanne]

Dirty old bastard.

[arista]

On Ch4HD News now


The Police Chief has said its wrong
the Victims should their day in court
without the 86year old Labour Peer


He raped young Boys

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

On Ch4HD News now


The Police Chief has said its wrong
the Victims should their day in court
without the 86year old Labour Peer


He raped young Boys

Then perhaps the Police should have pressed harder when allegations were made before.

The DPP has said there will be no trial because he could not even instruct his lawyers.
So therefore no sentence could be given either.

As I said, as bad and as sad as the situation is,he could not have a fair trial, that everyone is entitled to in the UK.

[arista]

Kizzy he is the one

[JoshBB]

Disgusting.

But he has dementia, the case is really messy and it is unlikely he is well enough to go on to commit any more crimes. That doesn't excuse it, but the whole trial is difficult when as joeysteele said he cannot be questioned properly.

[Kizzy]

I don't see why it can't go ahead, Saviles did... Just because he's now infirm doesn't mean it didn't happen, I say the victims deserve this to be heard.

[bots]

If he has dementia as bad as indicated then a trial is not worth it. However, we had the famous Guinness man who made a remarkable recovery, so it is a ploy that successfully worked before. I would like to see a truly independent thorough examination and confirmation before any case like this is abandoned

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

If he has dementia as bad as indicated then a trial is not worth it. However, we had the famous Guinness man who made a remarkable recovery, so it is a ploy that successfully worked before. I would like to see a truly independent thorough examination and confirmation before any case like this is abandoned

I agree here. An impartial, thorough assessment.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

If he has dementia as bad as indicated then a trial is not worth it. However, we had the famous Guinness man who made a remarkable recovery, so it is a ploy that successfully worked before. I would like to see a truly independent thorough examination and confirmation before any case like this is abandoned

2 of the Doctors official medical reports were ordered and actioned by the DPP to be done before the DPP went about deciding if he could stand trial and understand what was going on as to court proceedings.

Those medical reports confirmed the other 2 from other Doctors,,there are 4 reports in all,even stating he would not be able to even instruct his lawyers

He was independently examined and assessed and sadly at this point in time,as I am sure you know already, dementia cannot be reversed or for that matter improved.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

2 of the Doctors official medical reports were ordered and actioned by the DPP to be done before the DPP went about deciding if he could stand trial and understand what was going on as to court proceedings.

Those medical reports confirmed the other 2 from other Doctors,,there are 4 reports in all,even stating he would not be able to even instruct his lawyers

He was independently examined and assessed and sadly at this point in time,as I am sure you know already, dementia cannot be reversed or for that matter improved.

Very informative Joey, Thank you.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

2 of the Doctors official medical reports were ordered and actioned by the DPP to be done before the DPP went about deciding if he could stand trial and understand what was going on as to court proceedings.

Those medical reports confirmed the other 2 from other Doctors,,there are 4 reports in all,even stating he would not be able to even instruct his lawyers

He was independently examined and assessed and sadly at this point in time,as I am sure you know already, dementia cannot be reversed or for that matter improved.

Yes we know All that
it was Clear on the News all day.



And Yes he has no way of knowing whats going on
That is why he never goes in Court

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't see why it can't go ahead, Saviles did... Just because he's now infirm doesn't mean it didn't happen, I say the victims deserve this to be heard.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't see why it can't go ahead, Saviles did... Just because he's now infirm doesn't mean it didn't happen, I say the victims deserve this to be heard.

Yes the Police Chief said that as well

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't see why it can't go ahead, Saviles did... Just because he's now infirm doesn't mean it didn't happen, I say the victims deserve this to be heard.

It can't go ahead for the reasons stated in Joey's post, this is my second time posting this as the first one was removed due to my alleged insulting language.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

It can't go ahead for the reasons stated in Joey's post, this is my second time posting this as the first one was removed due to my alleged insulting language.

Then wait till the old pervert is dead and have one... what's the problem, why does it have to be swept under the carpet because the dirty old man has lost his marbles?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then wait till the old pervert is dead and have one... what's the problem, why does it have to be swept under the carpet because the dirty old man has lost his marbles?

It isn't going to be swept under the carpet Kizzy, the DPP was on the news tonight and said a mechanism is in place where the victims can get their stories/allegations publicly aired as in an inquiry.

There was no court case for Jimmy Saville,there was and still is inquiries going on as to his hospital crimes but there will be no court case.

The same with this guy, since he is now unable to understand what would be going on and cannot even be interviewed either as there would be no point.
No punishment or sentence would be able to be given, hence no prosecution.

She did state,an outlet would be there for the victims to state their issues,likely publicly if they wished it so but that is as far as it can go if someone cannot understand what is going on around them.
You have to be able to hear both sides in a court to make a judgement,that is impossible to do in this case.