[JoshBB]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/chinese-special-forces-use-flamethrower-6886860#rlabs=9%20rt$sitewide%20p$3

I know this is just one story, but it made me think.. with the EU, US, Russia, and China ALL fighting ISIS.. they honestly don't have a hope in hell of winning any perceived war that is being fought. But how long do you think it will take?

[MB.]

Time for ISIS: The Farewell Tour?

(yeah but seriously blow the ****ers up ok)

[Brother Leon]

God bless Mother Russia

[Scarlett.]

The stupidest thing they could have ever done was piss off Russia and China, the West holds themselves back more when it comes to war, Russia and China? Not a chance, you mess with them, they will end you.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Chewy

The stupidest thing they could have ever done was piss off Russia and China, the West holds themselves back more when it comes to war, Russia and China? Not a chance, you mess with them, they will end you.

Yes they probably will, we could aid all the innocents we can if we want to help.

[Mystic Mock]

Hopefully within the next 5 years they'll be on their knees.

[Northern Monkey]

It is good that there is a joint effort to destroy ISIS.Although my worry is what happens when the west and Russia step on each others toes.Russia are targetting many other people other than ISIS at the moment.They are killing many civilians and the Free Syrian Army and anyone else who opposes Assad.When ISIS are gone and the west decide it's time for Assad to go then that is when bigger problems will occur.

[lostalex]

but what will replace them is the question. Al Qaeda isn't getting much attention lately, but can we celebrate the retreat of Al Qaeda with ISIS around? and what will come after ISIS?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but what will replace them is the question. Al Qaeda isn't getting much attention lately, but can we celebrate the retreat of Al Qaeda with ISIS around? and what will come after ISIS?

Exactly Alex, huge armies going around creating a very specific type of power vacuum... something else will have filled it within 6 months.

And that's if ISIS truly is defeated. To me, this whole thing absolutely smacks of Chinese Army propaganda. I think they're taking PR tips from Mr Il in NK.

[MTVN]

Difference between ISIS and Al Qaeda is that Al Qaeda never had that much interest in controlling territory and they never made any claim to have established the Caliphate like ISIS have. If that caliphate fails then that is a massive blow to Islamic extremism although the campaign against IS is probably one that will go on for years.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but what will replace them is the question. Al Qaeda isn't getting much attention lately, but can we celebrate the retreat of Al Qaeda with ISIS around? and what will come after ISIS?

There will always be mad murderous Muslims around.Whatever they decide to call themselves.

[Z]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but what will replace them is the question. Al Qaeda isn't getting much attention lately, but can we celebrate the retreat of Al Qaeda with ISIS around? and what will come after ISIS?

Precisely the point. We should just leave the region well alone and let them sort it out themselves - even if all the bombs and drone strikes in the world kill every last ISIS member, there's still a gigantic power vacuum to be filled and something else will fill it - and it won't be a functioning democracy.

I don't believe ISIS are in any danger of ending any time soon - there's too much else going on in the region for there to be any chance of a coordinated effort to get rid of them, they're taking full advantage of the chaos and adding to it further (see: Paris attacks) to make significant strategic gains and I would imagine the most likely outcome at this moment in time is that ISIS becomes a legitimate state or becomes a Middle Eastern equivalent of North Korea; Turkey expands its territory; a Kurdish state of some sort is created and perhaps a couple of other quasi Saudi and Iranian proxy states. Bashar al-Assad is out of the equation, of course, but he's of little relevance while all this other **** is going on.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Z

Precisely the point. We should just leave the region well alone and let them sort it out themselves - even if all the bombs and drone strikes in the world kill every last ISIS member, there's still a gigantic power vacuum to be filled and something else will fill it - and it won't be a functioning democracy.

I don't believe ISIS are in any danger of ending any time soon - there's too much else going on in the region for there to be any chance of a coordinated effort to get rid of them, they're taking full advantage of the chaos and adding to it further (see: Paris attacks) to make significant strategic gains and I would imagine the most likely outcome at this moment in time is that ISIS becomes a legitimate state or becomes a Middle Eastern equivalent of North Korea; Turkey expands its territory; a Kurdish state of some sort is created and perhaps a couple of other quasi Saudi and Iranian proxy states. Bashar al-Assad is out of the equation, of course, but he's of little relevance while all this other **** is going on.

we can't just leave the region alone because of the refugee crisis, how are you going to stop the refugees?

[Z]

Originally Posted by lostalex

we can't just leave the region alone because of the refugee crisis, how are you going to stop the refugees?

Ignore them if we keep accepting them, they'll keep coming.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Z

Ignore them if we keep accepting them, they'll keep coming.

That sounds harsh Z.

[bots]

ISIS will be around for decades yet.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

ISIS will be around for decades yet.

Unfortunately I believe you're right.
The ten year war in Afghanistan is why Russia fell apart. What started as a complete crack down ended with a withdrawal from Afghanistan and the return of 15,000 Red Army soldiers in coffins. Why would it be any different now?

Its been proven before in both Afghanistan and Iraq that air strikes kill thousands of innocents, not just through direct hits but the aftermath of a destroyed infrastructure, but are nothing more than a fart in the wind to people like ISIS.

Our massive air assaults will merely push more Syrian refugees over the borders and the dessert will become a stronger and more formidable force. It needs Massive western boots on the ground if its going to have any chance of succeeding but with the Gulf Arab backers pouring their fortunes into military aid nobody can predict the future of Syria and other middle eastern countries.

I find it baffling that so little is being said about the Saudi's because from where I'm sitting, they are have a massive hand in this.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

ISIS will be around for decades yet.

Yes of course
as there is to many that support it,
some in England , sadly

[joeysteele]

The sooner they are gone the better for all the World so I would hope it is very soon.

I still say we need the Arab Nations in the Middle east to, and all the other Nations too there, to ensure these people are wiped off the face of the earth.

Then, and more to the point, be in a position to deal with and eradicate any other nutters and despots who form groups to terrorise and destroy,rather than contribute something of value and worth to the World.

[DemolitionRed]

Just had a news flash saying the Syrians have shot down a Russian jet.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Just had a news flash saying the Syrians have shot down a Russian jet.

I thought it was Turkey?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I thought it was Turkey?

Yep sorry....I'd just caught the tail end of the news.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Yep sorry....I'd just caught the tail end of the news.

Thought there'd been another one then

[AnnieK]

There will always be terrorists and extremists unfortunately so if IsIs were to be wiped out, it scares me to think what will replace them....

[lostalex]

why does it seem like the oldest cultures are the least evolved? It's like they get stuck.

people started in Africa, africa is a ****ing nightmare, then moved up into the middle east, then into south asia and southern and eastern europe, then into eastern asia and western europe, then to America, Canada, and Australia....

it's like when you look at that time line you can see the worst places start at the beginning and the best places are the furthest away from the beginning.