[Niamh.]

I was just reading an article and it made me think about this question, if someone is against abortion because they believe it's murder then why would they make an exception for rape? That's like saying murdering innocent people is ok sometimes, isn't it?

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...ons-punishment

“Absolutely not, and I mean I do have exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother,” Kasich said.

Todd asked how an “abortion ban” would be enforced.

“Well, look,” said Kasich, “I think [the exceptions are] rape, incest, life of the mother, and perhaps you build some restrictions, but I think you have to be very careful in the way you do it.”

[Jamie89]

I don't understand the logic either. I kind of feel like when people say that, it's just them trying to appease people. It's like they're offering some sort of compromise, as if they see it as meeting in the middle and maybe it will make pro-choice people more likely to 'compromise'. Otherwise, it just doesn't really make any sense.

[Tom4784]

Ah, middle aged men trying to dictate what women can and can't do with their own bodies.

[GiRTh]

Someone should ask Trump what would he think of abortion if a known terrorist raped someone in his family. As he is now conveniently Pro-Life and advocates punishment for women who seek abortions surely he would want her to have the child but he has also supported torture and killing of terrorists and their families.......

I think a womans right to choose is paramount in this discussion.

[Marsh.]

An exception for rape because that is a particularly traumatic event for the mother to go through?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

An exception for rape because that is a particularly traumatic event for the mother to go through?

Yeah i get that but I'm saying if your stance on abortion is that you genuinely believe that it's murdering an innocent child then surely it being traumatic isn't a good enough reason to commit that murder......if you get what I mean?

[Mystic Mock]

Well with rape the woman didn't consent to the sex in the first place and with a child on the way from that event must leave the woman in a permanent psychological trauma.

And on the issue of the operation when giving birth to the child could kill the Mother I would allow her to decide on which life she values more her own or the child? It's all you really can do in that situation imo.

And with incest isn't there scientific studies showing that children born out of it are more likely to be psychologically damaged?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well with rape the woman didn't consent to the sex in the first place and with a child on the way from that event must leave the woman in a permanent psychological trauma.

And on the issue of the operation when giving birth to the child could kill the Mother I would allow her to decide on which life she values more her own or the child? It's all you really can do in that situation imo.

And with incest isn't there scientific studies showing that children born out of it are more likely to be psychologically damaged?

You're missing the point though, I'm saying if you're a person who thinks abortion is child murder then even if the mother never consented to sex surely that isn't a good enough reason to murder an innocent child?

***This is not not my opinion btw***

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You're missing the point though, I'm saying if you're a person who thinks abortion is child murder then even if the mother never consented to sex surely that isn't a good enough reason to murder an innocent child?

***This is not not my opinion btw***

Yeah I see what you mean by saying that.

I'm always in favour of adoption personally, it's just that I can understand the option of abortion being there in a case where the woman didn't even consent to the sex that she was having.

[user104658]

My views on abortion have softened over the years... Since me and my wife experiencing two early miscarriages, actually (in November of 2014 and 2015... Becoming a tradition...). The first time we were quite upset about it, the second time - as awful as it may sound - it barely registered. It sort of forces you to realise that it's not the same thing as a late stage stillbirth or losing a child, at all.

I'd say that these days, I'm not necessarily against early abortion, up to 12 weeks. I am still entirely against late stage abortion for any reason other than there being a risk to the mother's life. Abortions happen at 20+ weeks, and they are simply barbaric. In some cases Abortions are carried out when the child could technically survive if born prematurely. How that can be considered anything other than murder, I'm not sure.

All that said, in the cases mentioned here, there's absolutely no reason that an abortion should be left so late. In an ideal world, anyone who is raped should receive immediate help from the authorities which should include the morning after pill as a precaution, eliminating the risk entirely. I know that we're along way from rape being quuickly or reliably reported, though, which is another huge issue in itself.

In general... I do wish that more people were open to the idea of adoption when it comes to "simple" unwanted pregnancies. People think the child will just risk ending up in care but that's simply not true of new-born babies... There is a HUGE waiting list of pre-approved couples looking to adopt at birth.