[arista]

[Kubrick, in the end, was too controlling, “too brutal”,
to properly bond with. But he adored Anderson
and was great friends with Robert Altman.
Those were his giants.
Maybe there are others still out there.
From time to time he will overhear his sons
discussing new directors they love;
artists who seem to share the same bold
and freewheeling style.
“But I’m an old fossil these days. So I sit still and stay quiet.”]


[You can see him in Stanley Kubrick’s A Clockwork Orange,
hanging with his droogs at the Korova milk-bar,
making up his rassoodock what to do with the night.
The sky was the limit. The world was his oyster.
One felt he could achieve pretty much anything.]

https://www.theguardian.com/film/202...st-of-my-films




I am glad Director Kubrick was Brutal
he got the best out of that young actor

This Film is a Masterpiece


[The film was a box-office success grossing
more than $26 million in the
United States and Canada on a budget of $2.2 million.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clockwork_Orange_(film)

[Tom4784]

Kubrick was a **** and I hope he's resting in piss. He destroyed Shelley Duvall and was, by all accounts, an abusive piece of **** that would be blacklisted and hated if he was around today.

Don't be glad about abuse, Arista. Abusing someone isn't worth it to get a 'good' performance out of them.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Kubrick was a **** and I hope he's resting in piss. He destroyed Shelley Duvall and was, by all accounts, an abusive piece of **** that would be blacklisted and hated if he was around today.

Don't be glad about abuse, Arista. Abusing someone isn't worth it to get a 'good' performance out of them.

This thread is about a Top Movie of 1971
Not about the Shinning (1980)
you could make a thread of that great 1980 film.


Its a Young Actor getting paid
Kubrick was a Genius


Feel The Force


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...ubrick-1113502

[user104658]

I saw "Eyes Wide Shut" for the first time last week and it was not what I was expecting AT ALL. A load of misogynistic drivel and wee Tom Criuse being lead around by the hand looking like Draco Malfoy at his first Death Eaters orgy.

I'm really not convinced he was any sort of genius at all. I remember Clockwork Orange well, though I haven't seen it in years, and let's face it... It gained notoriety based on controversy because it was considered "shocking" for its time.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I saw "Eyes Wide Shut" for the first time last week and it was not what I was expecting AT ALL. A load of misogynistic drivel and wee Tom Criuse being lead around by the hand looking like Draco Malfoy at his first Death Eaters orgy.

I'm really not convinced he was any sort of genius at all. I remember Clockwork Orange well, though I haven't seen it in years, and let's face it... It gained notoriety based on controversy because it was considered "shocking" for its time.

Yes early USA Cinema 1971
edited the sex rape scenes.


TS do not go to his last films (he was much older then)
he won Oscars
Film 2001,(made in 1968) for example

[Marsh.]

Yeah, Eyes Wide Shut is a lesson in style over substance imo.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, Eyes Wide Shut is a lesson in style over substance imo.

To be fair, I think that statement could be applied to a lot of the "big name" directors, at least some of the time.

[James]

He had a great run of films starting with the heist film, The Killing, in 1956.

I think the negative stories about him were mainly down to the fact that - outside of when he had a film to promote - he rarely give media interviews.

[arista]

Originally Posted by James

He had a great run of films starting with the heist film, The Killing, in 1956.

I think the negative stories about him were mainly down to the fact that - outside of when he had a film to promote - he rarely give media interviews.

Yes he was wise
and Private.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filmog...tanley_Kubrick

[Tony Montana]

He was a fantastic director but I could imagine he must've been a nightmare to work with. He must've drove Shelly Duvall insane as that's her genuine reaction in the ''Here's Johnny!'' scene. Kubrick shot that scene like 127 times. I would've quit after the first 5 takes. How the actors managed to keep their cool with him I'll never know.

[James]

Malcolm McDowell did a good interview quite recently on Mark Kermode's podcast. He has a lot of interesting stories about his career. It's worth a listen - https://play.acast.com/s/kermodeonfi...alcolmmcdowell

Listening to it again he says he had a good relationship with Stanley Kubrick.

[Oliver_W]

The Shining is brilliant and she gave a great performance, so he did something right!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The Shining is brilliant and she gave a great performance, so he did something right!

He literally ****ed her up permanently, i don't think the film was worth that

[Ammi]

....these type of ‘genius’ people who are so controlling and brutal...with ‘methods’ that are so harrowing and quite terrifying...?...make me think of the JK Simmons character in Whiplash...(..can’t recall the character name atm...)...but yeah, totally ruthless and terrifying and damaging...

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The Shining is brilliant and she gave a great performance, so he did something right!

I thought The Shiing was dreadful and all the actors mis-cast after reading the book.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

I thought The Shiing was dreadful and all the actors mis-cast after reading the book.

100% agree - it's a decent horror film but it is an abysmal adaptation of the source material. Jack Nicholson played Jack as a bit mental/menacing/scary from the outset. Shelley Duvall played Wendy as timid/scared/anxious from the outset.

They're supposed to start off seeming relatively normal and then completely unravelling psychologically as time goes on...

...it's literally the entire point of the book. It's basically the whole story. And of course the other vital story beat is Jack's eventual "moment of clarity" that allows him to destroy the hotel (and himself along with it) ... which they changed in favour of a "creepier ending" for the film.

SO yeah to reiterate... it's a well made horror film but it's a really shockingly bad conversion of the book that completely misses the point.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

100% agree - it's a decent horror film but it is an abysmal adaptation of the source material. Jack Nicholson played Jack as a bit mental/menacing/scary from the outset. Shelley Duvall played Wendy as timid/scared/anxious from the outset.

They're supposed to start off seeming relatively normal and then completely unravelling psychologically as time goes on...

...it's literally the entire point of the book. It's basically the whole story. And of course the other vital story beat is Jack's eventual "moment of clarity" that allows him to destroy the hotel (and himself along with it) ... which they changed in favour of a "creepier ending" for the film.

SO yeah to reiterate... it's a well made horror film but it's a really shockingly bad conversion of the book that completely misses the point.

Precisely TS

[Marsh.]

Reminds me of Tippi Hedren saying she was treated awfully on the set of The Birds, especially during the attic scene, after she declined Hitchcock's advances.

[James]

I can't find anything online that really shows that Shelley Duvall's experience on the set of The Shining led to her later troubles with mental illness.

[Ammi]

...I don’t know if Kubrick’s treatment of her directly led to in any way, but it’s entirely possible that it could have been a significant trigger to the deterioration of her mental health...and it’s also possible that he could have chosen her because he saw an actress whose mental health could be exploited in the way he wanted the character to be and in the way that he did...I mean, ‘victims’ are often well chosen, aren’t they...he had insisted on Shelley when apparently she was less obvious to play the character as written in the book, it had been suggested, Jessica Lange as written the character had been much ‘tougher’ in the book... but he had changed the character completely to fit Shelley is what is being said...only he then had to create and not just when the camera was rolling...telling all of the cast to show her no sympathy when she broke down and making her feel isolated...to not see another human being but to only see ‘a performance’ or to see a fragile mental health that could be moulded into the performance he hoped for, whichever way his ‘method’....he really isn’t someone for me who could ever be admired in any way...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I don’t know if Kubrick’s treatment of her directly led to in any way, but it’s entirely possible that it could have been a significant trigger to the deterioration of her mental health...and it’s also possible that he could have chosen her because he saw an actress whose mental health could be exploited in the way he wanted the character to be and in the way that he did...I mean, ‘victims’ are often well chosen, aren’t they...he had insisted on Shelley when apparently she was less obvious to play the character as written in the book, it had been suggested, Jessica Lange as written the character had been much ‘tougher’ in the book... but he had changed the character completely to fit Shelley is what is being said...only he then had to create and not just when the camera was rolling...telling all of the cast to show her no sympathy when she broke down and making her feel isolated...to not see another human being but to only see ‘a performance’ or to see a fragile mental health that could be moulded into the performance he hoped for, whichever way his ‘method’....he really isn’t someone for me who could ever be admired in any way...

Yes later she had mental problems
and stopped acting.

[Oliver_W]

I like Stephen King books but I've not read that one yet. I've also got the TV movie/mini series thing somewhere, still need to watch it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I like Stephen King books but I've not read that one yet. I've also got the TV movie/mini series thing somewhere, still need to watch it.

The TV movie is a much more faithful adaptation of the book and the characters are portrayed far more accurately. That said... It is a 90's TV movie and the budget and cinematography matches that. TV was really no rival to cinema back then, certainly not like it is now.

[James]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The TV movie is a much more faithful adaptation of the book and the characters are portrayed far more accurately. That said... It is a 90's TV movie and the budget and cinematography matches that. TV was really no rival to cinema back then, certainly not like it is now.

There's a new series in development called 'Overlook' produced by JJ Abrams company, said to be inspired by and featuring characters from The Shining.

https://collider.com/the-shining-tv-...brams-hbo-max/

I haven't seen Doctor Sleep.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by James

There's a new series in development called 'Overlook' produced by JJ Abrams company, said to be inspired by and featuring characters from The Shining.

https://collider.com/the-shining-tv-...brams-hbo-max/

I haven't seen Doctor Sleep.

I really enjoyed that, I haven't read the books but it felt a lot different to the first film, like a totally different genre. I know Stephen King wasn't happy with the Shining (the film) so i wonder was Dr Sleep closer to his books