[Beastie]

Are you still happy with the Conservative Party running this country?

Just think.. if Labour were still in power I bet the UNI tuition fee's would not have gone up! and EMA would still be in place.

For those people who say.. havn't got any kids yet and would want them in the future.. would you be able to afford raising your sprogs? (To be honest you still get that child grant/fund or whatever it is per month, is it 100 and odd quid per month from the government until the child is 18?, that is a lot of money!! Especially when you are buying all them nappies!)

I voted for Conservative. Someone told me.. rich people vote Conservative. I am not rich. I voted Conservative for a change.

All I am thinking is.. I think it is going to be an expensive future for our generation. (People in their teens and twenties, possibly thirties).

Suppose if you can't afford it. Don't buy it.

In this country we need more jobs opportunities. That is the main problem. If you want to go to Uni.. really you should go to Uni if you want to be a doctor, nurse, teacher or politican? Most people do worthless degree's. Therefore their needs to be more job opportunities and job training/apprentices!!

The UK needs to be more strict now. And I mean NOW. About the amount of people who come into this country and also how many kids people have. Is it China when you are only allowed to have 1 kid per family? I think the same should happen here. No more than 2. Suppose if you can genuinely afford more than 2 kids then have them but the majority can't.

I think our grandparents had the best life. My grandparents started with nothing. Bought their house for hardly anything. Now they are both retired, both have a pension, both are comfortable. I am guessing your grandparents have had a decent standard of living? Or am I wrong? What will we be like when we are old and crippled? << If we get to this stage!

[MTVN]

The Conservatives inherited a budget deficit that was one of the worst in Europe, if not the worst, it was close to being as bad as Greece if I remember rightly. Labour's spending had got out of hand tbh, it wasn't sustainable and there was so much money being wasted. Everyone knew cuts were going to have to be made, it was just an issue of how quickly they would have to made. Only time will tell if the Coalition were right of course.

I'm pretty sceptical that Labour would have done much different with regards to Uni fees, they were the ones who introduced the fees system after all and the ones who commisioned the Browne report which recommended the changes. It's easy to criticise now that they're not in power anymore, they're just being opportunistic for the sake of it. I don't think the fees rise was as unreasonable as it was being made out to be either, and I'm glad EMA is going.

In principle I think we should have freedom of movement and we should have an open door policy but it isnt really practical, we dont have the means to accomodate so many people so immigration should have a cap if you ask me. Trouble is that we're subject to EU regulations and have to allow anyone from a member country into the UK. I would never support a law limiting the number of children people should have either, but I do think it should be recommended.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The Conservatives inherited a budget deficit that was one of the worst in Europe, if not the worst, it was close to being as bad as Greece if I remember rightly. Labour's spending had got out of hand tbh, it wasn't sustainable and there was so much money being wasted. Everyone knew cuts were going to have to be made, it was just an issue of how quickly they would have to made. Only time will tell if the Coalition were right of course.

I'm pretty sceptical that Labour would have done much different with regards to Uni fees, they were the ones who introduced the fees system after all and the ones who commisioned the Browne report which recommended the changes. It's easy to criticise now that they're not in power anymore, they're just being opportunistic for the sake of it. I don't think the fees rise was as unreasonable as it was being made out to be either, and I'm glad EMA is going.

In principle I think we should have freedom of movement and we should have an open door policy but it isnt really practical, we dont have the means to accomodate so many people so immigration should have a cap if you ask me. Trouble is that we're subject to EU regulations and have to allow anyone from a member country into the UK. I would never support a law limiting the number of children people should have either, but I do think it should be recommended.

I enjoyed reading this! Yeah time will tell if the Coalition Government has been successful. However how long? Will we know by next year if they have made any progress for the better to our country? In 5 years? I am banking in 4 years time when the next election takes place.

The rise of tuition fee's are making students think twice whether to go to uni or not. Personally if you really want to be a doctor you will get the money you paid to go to uni for over a few years? Uni is still really accessible for people to go to. However the government has to think what happens to these students once they leave uni? Will there be jobs for them after Uni? Or is it just.. oh.. they have a degree now. Now they can work in Stabucks or wherever.. a job they couldn't get as a student before Uni because they were not "experienced" enough. Dur.. give them training.

Or is it a case of.. there are hardly any jobs going.. some students may feel like.. they have to study forever. Or after their degree course do something else!

We need to get out of the EU. Too many people in this country!! It's the only way. I mean we can't just kick out the minority number of white British people who are sponging off the welfare system.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by thebeast

I enjoyed reading this! Yeah time will tell if the Coalition Government has been successful. However how long? Will we know by next year if they have made any progress for the better to our country? In 5 years? I am banking in 4 years time when the next election takes place.

The rise of tuition fee's are making students think twice whether to go to uni or not. Personally if you really want to be a doctor you will get the money you paid to go to uni for over a few years? Uni is still really accessible for people to go to. However the government has to think what happens to these students once they leave uni? Will there be jobs for them after Uni? Or is it just.. oh.. they have a degree now. Now they can work in Stabucks or wherever.. a job they couldn't get as a student before Uni because they were not "experienced" enough. Dur.. give them training.

Or is it a case of.. there are hardly any jobs going.. some students may feel like.. they have to study forever. Or after their degree course do something else!

We need to get out of the EU. Too many people in this country!! It's the only way. I mean we can't just kick out the minority number of white British people who are sponging off the welfare system.

Yeah, I'd say by the next election will see if the Coalition was right

With Uni I've always thought of it as an investment in your own career. It is primarily you who will benefit from having a degree so it should be your responsibility to pay for it if you ask me. I dont think your average working man should be paying taxes so that you can go off and get further education and a decent job while he is still stuck on minimum wage. Students won't have to start paying money back until they're earning over Ł21,000 anyway. Yeah, I think there needs to be more job oppurtunities out there, the private sector needs to do what it can to try and create new jobs and it seems they're trying to, all the major supermarkets are pledging to create a lot more jobs for people to go into.

I'm not all that sure on the EU, it's hard not to be in it and I dont want us to isolate ourselves from the rest of Europe but we should take a look at how beneficial it is to us. I'd rather we were just in the European free trade association or whatever it's called then be so tangled in a political union

[Beastie]

The best thing that is going to happen to this country is that school leaving age be made compulsory at the age of 18. I mean yes.. our grandparents or some of our parents left school at 13 or whatever but back then there was a lot of working class jobs going round. Now most of the working class jobs are taking up by the foreigners I think.

There should be more job opportunities, NOT more Uni course opportunities.

[arista]

Yes very happy
as Under Dead New Labour
spending got out of control.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes very happy
as Under Dead New Labour
spending got out of control.

Conservatives need to spend money on job opportunities.

[arista]

Originally Posted by thebeast

Conservatives need to spend money on job opportunities.

Yes The Conservative-LibDems
are working on it.

[arista]

"Are you still happy with the Conservative Party running this country?"


You Can Not Say that as Nick Clegg is the Deputy

It is Conservative - LibDem
in power for 5 years.

The LibDems are loving the power and the position.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by arista

"Are you still happy with the Conservative Party running this country?"


You Can Not Say that as Nick Clegg is the Deputy

It is Conservative - LibDem
in power for 5 years.

The LibDems are loving the power and the position.

Ok yeah sorry it is a Coalition Government. However Conservatives (David Cameron) still makes the final decisions.

[Niall]

I think that the Conservatives and the Lib Dems couldn't give two sh!ts about those of us who live in normal sized houses with parents who earn normal wages.

The tuition fees fiasco is disgusting. When I go to Uni in 3 years time why should I have to pay up to Ł9,000 a year to study when those in Scotland get it for free? I wanna be a psychologist so lets say thats 5 years studying, that will cost me and my parents Ł45,000 to put me through Uni. My Dad said he might have to sell the house to do it for me. Thats a horrible thought.

And if I decide to take a loan, I'll be paying off that debt for the rest of my life. Having a burden like that lumped on me by this government is just totally unfair. The tories only care about the rich as far as I'm concerned and this tuition fees problem is one of the many things that proves it. The Lib Dems ain't much better either.

When I'm allowed to vote I'm voting for the Green Party because I've seen that you can't trust the 3 main ones.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Niall

I think that the Conservatives and the Lib Dems couldn't give two sh!ts about those of us who live in normal sized houses with parents who earn normal wages.

The tuition fees fiasco is disgusting. When I go to Uni in 3 years time why should I have to pay up to Ł9,000 a year to study when those in Scotland get it for free? I wanna be a psychologist so lets say thats 5 years studying, that will cost me and my parents Ł45,000 to put me through Uni. My Dad said he might have to sell the house to do it for me. Thats a horrible thought.

And if I decide to take a loan, I'll be paying off that debt for the rest of my life. Having a burden like that lumped on me by this government is just totally unfair. The tories only care about the rich as far as I'm concerned and this tuition fees problem is one of the many things that proves it. The Lib Dems ain't much better either.

When I'm allowed to vote I'm voting for the Green Party because I've seen that you can't trust the 3 main ones.

I think you should try and apply for a Uni in Scotland. If you do that you would still get the tuition fee's I think even if you are from England. It is a lot of money. However you would get that 45 grand back in a fews years of working as a qualified psychologist.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by thebeast

I think you should try and apply for a Uni in Scotland. If you do that you would still get the tuition fee's I think even if you are from England. It is a lot of money. However you would get that 45 grand back in a fews years of working as a qualified psychologist.

Idk I don't really wanna move that far away from home. I live in London after all. And I know I'd make the money back up but the thing is my parents shouldn't have to go through such hassle to get me enough money to pay for Uni in the first place. Having to sell your house to pay your child through uni? Thats extreme, very extreme. And my parents are relatively well off, so I can't imagine how badly those worse off than me are having to save. Its just so unfair. Its why I think university should be made free like they have it in France.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Niall

I think that the Conservatives and the Lib Dems couldn't give two sh!ts about those of us who live in normal sized houses with parents who earn normal wages.

The tuition fees fiasco is disgusting. When I go to Uni in 3 years time why should I have to pay up to Ł9,000 a year to study when those in Scotland get it for free? I wanna be a psychologist so lets say thats 5 years studying, that will cost me and my parents Ł45,000 to put me through Uni. My Dad said he might have to sell the house to do it for me. Thats a horrible thought.

And if I decide to take a loan, I'll be paying off that debt for the rest of my life. Having a burden like that lumped on me by this government is just totally unfair. The tories only care about the rich as far as I'm concerned and this tuition fees problem is one of the many things that proves it. The Lib Dems ain't much better either.

When I'm allowed to vote I'm voting for the Green Party because I've seen that you can't trust the 3 main ones.

You should have to pay it because it's your investment in your career imo. That's why I think it is the responsibility of the individual to fund that investment and not the tax payer; it is you who will ultimately benefit.

The average return on a degree is Ł160,000, probably more if you're going to study for 5 years and become a psychologist, the benefit still outweights the cost. Why would your dad have to sell his house? You don't have to start paying it back until you're earning a decent wage and you'll hardly be paying it back for the rest of your life; it's an interest free loan that gets written off after 30 years if you cant pay it back. Any University that does impose the maximum fee will also have to prove that they're doing more to enable poorer students to go to Uni as well.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by MTVN

You should have to pay it because it's your investment in your career imo. That's why I think it is the responsibility of the individual to fund that investment and not the tax payer; it is you who will ultimately benefit.

The average return on a degree is Ł160,000, probably more if you're going to study for 5 years and become a psychologist, the benefit still outweights the cost. Why would your dad have to sell his house? You don't have to start paying it back until you're earning a decent wage and you'll hardly be paying it back for the rest of your life; it's an interest free loan that gets written off after 30 years if you cant pay it back. Any University that does impose the maximum fee will also have to prove that they're doing more to enable poorer students to go to Uni as well.

I know I should pay some of the fee for my Uni but I don't really think its fair that the tories come along and change to rules and make University something much harder to attain. Even if Uni was free and part of the educational system, when I'm working and paying my taxes, I'll be paying money back into the educational system. So it would be giving back (most) of what I took.

I said that if I didn't take a loan out on it, which my parents would rather because it would keep me out of a mountain of debt, my Dad would have to sell our house to be able to fork over the money for Uni.

Even if I do become a psychologist, having Ł160,000+ debt lumped on top of you is going to take a while to pay back. Ugh idk its stressful to think I'll have to deal with all this in 3 years.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Niall

I know I should pay some of the fee for my Uni but I don't really think its fair that the tories come along and change to rules and make University something much harder to attain. Even if Uni was free and part of the educational system, when I'm working and paying my taxes, I'll be paying money back into the educational system. So it would be giving back (most) of what I took.

I said that if I didn't take a loan out on it, which my parents would rather because it would keep me out of a mountain of debt, my Dad would have to sell our house to be able to fork over the money for Uni.

Even if I do become a psychologist, having Ł160,000+ debt lumped on top of you is going to take a while to pay back. Ugh idk its stressful to think I'll have to deal with all this in 3 years.

Labour were the ones who introduced the fees system in the first place though. And they were the ones who commissione Lord Browne to produce a report on higer education funding, the Tories just accepted his recommendations to increase the fees cap.

If it was free you will be funding the education system someway by paying taxes, that's true, but the burden would still fall on the rest of society for your degree. I dont think it's right that a guy working a minimum wage job should be paying for you to have a degree so that you can earn more, and have a benefit to your career which he never got.

Having debt is all part of having a degree, it's the price you pay for that benefit you will recieve later on in life. A loan is the sensible thing to do imo, considering it will be interest free and you wont have to pay it back until earning over Ł21,000. The Ł160,000 is how much more you earn on average than if you didnt get a degree, so it might take a few years to pay back but ultimately the benefits will still outweight the costs.

Anyway, guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, I can see why you're pissed off but I just dont think it's as unreasonable as it's been made out, I think it's been sensationalised somewhat.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Niall

I think that the Conservatives and the Lib Dems couldn't give two sh!ts about those of us who live in normal sized houses with parents who earn normal wages.

The tuition fees fiasco is disgusting. When I go to Uni in 3 years time why should I have to pay up to Ł9,000 a year to study when those in Scotland get it for free? I wanna be a psychologist so lets say thats 5 years studying, that will cost me and my parents Ł45,000 to put me through Uni. My Dad said he might have to sell the house to do it for me. Thats a horrible thought.

And if I decide to take a loan, I'll be paying off that debt for the rest of my life. Having a burden like that lumped on me by this government is just totally unfair. The tories only care about the rich as far as I'm concerned and this tuition fees problem is one of the many things that proves it. The Lib Dems ain't much better either.

When I'm allowed to vote I'm voting for the Green Party because I've seen that you can't trust the 3 main ones.

How have this Government changed the rules? It was Labour that introduced the fees in the first place, and you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think they wouldn't have increased the fees which are nowhere near realistic. for 13 years Labour spent, spent, spent, so where do you think the money is going to come from? Where has this sense of entitlement come from FFS?

There are thousands of kids who should never go to Uni, they're either not going to stay the distance, or they're taking mickey mouse degrees that are worthless to any employer. Those that CHOOSE to go to Uni should pay for it themselves - there are plenty of hardship funds available for those students who genuinely and really need financial help - the fact your parents have equity in a house is neither here nor there (although you are extremely lucky that they do). You are their child, so let them pay for your fees, and YOU can pay them back once you start earning. You also do not have to start repaying any loans until you are earning over the threshold and can afford it. It's called taking responsibility for yourself.

There are thousands upon thousands of kids who don't have the luxury of a further 3 years in education, and have to work as soon as they leave school, often on minimum wage, so basically they are paying taxes which you are suggesting should go towards funding your fees when in fact you will probably end up earning way more than them in the long run.

[Jamie.....]

I think whatever party were to be in power, there would still have to be cuts and people would be unhappy about it, its a bit of a lose-lose situation.
At the end of the day going to uni is your choice, its an investment into your life, so you should pay. And its not like the whole debt has to be payed off at once, so its no big deal.
And the having a limited amount of kids would not work in the UK as it did in China. But immigration needs to be sorted.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jamie.....

I think whatever party were to be in power, there would still have to be cuts and people would be unhappy about it, its a bit of a lose-lose situation.
At the end of the day going to uni is your choice, its an investment into your life, so you should pay. And its not like the whole debt has to be payed off at once, so its no big deal.
And the having a limited amount of kids would not work in the UK as it did in China. But immigration needs to be sorted.

Jamie you are Most Wise.

[Angus]

Sir Andrew Green, of the think-tank MigrationWatch has stated that 1 in every 3 new jobs created is going to a non British born person - this is an absolute disgrace. Am I happy? Yes, that the corrupt Labour b*stards are no longer in power, despite spending 13 years cynically importing voters, but also, No not entirely until this government puts a cap on immigration and starts putting British workers FIRST.

If economic migrants come to this country let them go to the back of the queue.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Niall u must be well smart

[Kerry]

I hate talking politics so the short answer is no, I'm not happy and never was since those bunch of bafoons took over. Protect the rich and stuff the rest. Selfish bunch of tossers. Totally appalled at Nick Clegg

[Angus]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

I hate talking politics so the short answer is no, I'm not happy and never was since those bunch of bafoons took over. Protect the rich and stuff the rest. Selfish bunch of tossers. Totally appalled at Nick Clegg

Selfish bunch of tossers is exactly what the elitist Labour Party were all about - a bunch of thieving, corrupt a*seholes who led the country to the brink of bankruptcy (for which this government is now getting the flack as they've been forced to implement savage cuts), and led for two terms by an egotistical, self serving, war monger more interested in arselicking the cerebrally challenged Bush than considering what was best for OUR country, and for the final term by an unelected Scottish buffoon.

As for Nick Clegg, I would have preferred if the Tories had formed a minority government instead of allying themselves with the wishy washy lib dems who are lucky to have ANY say at all in the running of this country considering they won hardly any seats.

[Novo]

Not really bothered, their is always going to be Good choices and Bad Choices made by whoever is running the country.. getting the country out of debt is the main priority