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Old 21-06-2011, 12:50 AM #1
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Which came first: the chicken or the egg?
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The chicken evolved from this:



proven fact
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The chicken evolved from this:



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A Toy Dinosaur rofl.
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Chicken obviously, C comes before E in the alphabet

Seriously though, I think it was the egg.
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Egg.

Some bird close to the chicken laid an egg which genes had a mutation to produce the modern day chicken

-my theory anyway-
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Some bird close to the chicken laid an egg which genes had a mutation to produce the modern day chicken

-my theory anyway-
Fully concur, eggs easier to be evolved into whereas a chicken is a higher form of life. And chickens will still be evolving and changing. Plus fosillised eggs have been found from earlier reptiles and animals which predate the modern chicken.

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The egg came first. Plenty of species had eggs before chickens evolved. So obviously eggs came LONG before chickens or chicken eggs.

It would be a more interesting question if you asked "which came first, the chicken or the chicken egg?"
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The Egg because a chicken is only a chicken if it hatched from an egg

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I've chosen Chicken but I get really so involved thinking on this question whenever it comes up, I drive myself and others crazy.
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The Egg because a chicken is only a chicken if it hatched from an egg
I suppose a chicken is only a chicken if it hatched from a chicken egg. Which means you'd need the chicken to exist first for it to lay a chicken egg. If it hatched from another type of egg - ie: turtle, it wouldn't be a chicken !!


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I go for egg - and dependant on the species that evolved /mutated - therein the type of creature/animal/bird came to exist.

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Egg.

Some bird close to the chicken laid an egg which genes had a mutation to produce the modern day chicken

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How could the bird lay an egg close to a chicken and then come first?
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How could the bird lay an egg close to a chicken and then come first?
I take it you do realise that they meant 'close to' - meaning similar in genes - as opposed to 'close by'.

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Apparently scientists have (sorry ) 'cracked' it.

Growing a good egg: Metadynamics simulations show that the eggshell protein ovocleidin-17 induces the formation of calcite crystals from amorphous calcium carbonate nanoparticles. Multiple spontaneous crystallization and amorphization events were simulated; these simulations suggest a catalytic cycle that explains the role of ovocleidin-17 in the first stages of eggshell formation.

Now, the protein ovocleidin-17 is found within the bird's ovaries and therefore, there cannot be an egg without there first being a bird. So the chicken (or something like it) evolved and then established this protein which allowed it to produce eggs.

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Apparently scientists have (sorry ) 'cracked' it.

Growing a good egg: Metadynamics simulations show that the eggshell protein ovocleidin-17 induces the formation of calcite crystals from amorphous calcium carbonate nanoparticles. Multiple spontaneous crystallization and amorphization events were simulated; these simulations suggest a catalytic cycle that explains the role of ovocleidin-17 in the first stages of eggshell formation.

Now, the protein ovocleidin-17 is found within the bird's ovaries and therefore, there cannot be an egg without there first being a bird. So the chicken (or something like it) evolved and then established this protein which allowed it to produce eggs.



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Apparently scientists have (sorry ) 'cracked' it.

Growing a good egg: Metadynamics simulations show that the eggshell protein ovocleidin-17 induces the formation of calcite crystals from amorphous calcium carbonate nanoparticles. Multiple spontaneous crystallization and amorphization events were simulated; these simulations suggest a catalytic cycle that explains the role of ovocleidin-17 in the first stages of eggshell formation.

Now, the protein ovocleidin-17 is found within the bird's ovaries and therefore, there cannot be an egg without there first being a bird. So the chicken (or something like it) evolved and then established this protein which allowed it to produce eggs.

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the egg came first

back when the chicken's ancestor had the first mutant egg baby with 2 heads
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which came first, the conspiracy or the conspiracy theory?
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