[Achilles]

a) Because she "bitches" about Helen?
b) Because "she" bitches about Helen?

[Brother Leon]

Off the top of my head, it may be

Because she's 95% of the time miserable?

Because she's abit of a twat?

Because she's a brat?

You've mentioned the reasons why she's popular in your OP

[kefln]

Young, pretty, keeps to herself, intelligent, doesn't get drunk and start fights, doesn't sit around talking about sex...all come to mind...

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Off the top of my head, it may be

Because she's 95% of the time miserable?

That just isn't true. But I have been 95% miserable watching Helen and co. this year, so I'm sympathetic anyway.

Because she's abit of a twat?

Run out of arguments already.

Because she's a brat?

Confirmed.

You've mentioned the reasons why she's popular in your OP

Along with numerous other things that people refuse to see because she's a pretty young girl.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Because she's 95% of the time miserable?

95% of the 6% we see or you have live feed?

Do you think it's a coincidence that Ashleigh was unhappy at the start, then was much happier once the whole house were getting on better and has been unhappy for last few days since the divide has returned?

I don't understand why she would be hated for being unhappy living with such a nasty person such as Helen and her nasty gang?

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Off the top of my head, it may be

Because she's 95% of the time miserable?

Because she's abit of a twat?

Because she's a brat?

You've mentioned the reasons why she's popular in your OP

I totally agree

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by rionablue

I totally agree

Totally? Because it was such a well laid out case.

[Brother Leon]

Let's not ignore the countless times Kim openly invited her to get involved with the rest, but was sneered at by Ashleigh and Danielle for actually daring to talk to them. The House split was down to her isolating herself and opting to just spend the first 5 weeks looking down at everyone else with Toya or Danielle up in the pod or the bedroom with Chris. Hell jumping in the pool was apparently some disgusting thing to do that resulted in her having one hell of a sour face. It's not hard to see why people may find her unlikable..you just have to have an open mind with her not being your fave HM. There are countless things to pick

[Jords]

I wasnt a fan of Ashleigh at the start because I thought she was a bit too miserable but then I understood her situation better. She was stuck in the house branded in the 'uncool' group which brought back memories of high school for her, the divide in the house was nasty and uncomfortable and so she wasnt in a good place in mind and naturally wasnt going to be bouncing off the walls. Over the series though weve seen her friendships with Danielle, Chris and Christopher flourish, weve seen her get more involved in the tasks and decisions BB put to the HMs and shes developed a lot since Week 1 and now is one of my favourites.

imo some people are hung up on her being 'miserable' at times and completely ignoring the situation. I wouldnt be very happy living amongst Helen, Pauline, Steven either.

[MB.]

She isn't hated. It's just that her few detractors on here are very... vocal...

[Shaun]

She isn't in the grand scheme of things though. She still gets cheers, she's favourite to win

I think some might just go against her because they want to support an underdog or someone that's been generally nice all season like Pav, Christopher or Winston were. Or they want to support the Helen camp because they love being contrary and see themselves in her open-mouthed bluntness.

But then tbh I think people only like her because she's picked up Chris' (or the public's) hatred of Helen/Steven/Ash and put it into the house rather than into the Diary Room. She's had weeks where she's narrowly escaped eviction for being a whiney bitch with Danielle & Toya all the time, but Matthew took the brunt for that instead.

And to be fair to Helen (and please don't make me type this often), inside that house there must be a calmer, more upfront attitude around Helen than there was amongst Toya/Ashleigh/Matthew's constant whispering. I think most HMs who've been evicted have said stuff along the lines of you always know where she stands... whereas Ashleigh's openly (thanks BB!) tried to play a game.

But if there're people who hate Ashleigh I imagine it's because she gets a strong presentation of "here is Ashleigh whining and bitching" in highlights. Not enough happy moments shown tbh.

[kefln]

Most of the complaints against her are that she's a bitch, or that she's a brat.

These statements tend to ignore the far more aggressively bitch behaviour of another HM. As for being a brat, hell even Mark was more of a brat, how many foot stamping, storming off moments did he have? Remember him throwing a wobbly over having no hair straighteners once or twice?

Once those complaints are dealt with people start complaining about her being boring, in a house were Ash has existed. But you then have to ask, if she is so boring, why so many threads and posts about her?

So then people resort to making fun of her face, or her appearance...and at that point...

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by kefln

Most of the complaints against her are that she's a bitch, or that she's a brat.

These statements tend to ignore the far more aggressively bitch behaviour of another HM. As for being a brat, hell even Mark was more of a brat, how many foot stamping, storming off moments did he have? Remember him throwing a wobbly over having no hair straighteners once or twice?

Once those complaints are dealt with people start complaining about her being boring, in a house were Ash has existed. But you then have to ask, if she is so boring, why so many threads and posts about her?

So then people resort to making fun of her face, or her appearance...and at that point...

She has managed to create an amazing presence in and out of the house, for somebody who is so 'boring' eh.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Let's not ignore the countless times Kim openly invited her to get involved with the rest, but was sneered at by Ashleigh and Danielle for actually daring to talk to them.

why would they get involved with people who spent their nights talking about fingerblasting women?

The House split was down to her isolating herself and opting to just spend the first 5 weeks looking down at everyone else with Toya or Danielle up in the pod or the bedroom with Chris.

Matthew, in his interview said that they just spoke about sex all the time. Who would want to be sat there talking to such imbeciles?

[Samm]

She's not hated anymore she's probably the fan favorite

[Jords]

Originally Posted by ~Sam~

She's not hated anymore she's probably the fan favorite

Ashleigh is definitely the fan favourite. Id say Christopher is the casual viewer favourite.

[Yaki da]

In short though... She's strong, young, clever and pretty.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Shaun

She isn't in the grand scheme of things though. She still gets cheers, she's favourite to win

I think some might just go against her because they want to support an underdog or someone that's been generally nice all season like Pav, Christopher or Winston were. Or they want to support the Helen camp because they love being contrary and see themselves in her open-mouthed bluntness.

But then tbh I think people only like her because she's picked up Chris' (or the public's) hatred of Helen/Steven/Ash and put it into the house rather than into the Diary Room. She's had weeks where she's narrowly escaped eviction for being a whiney bitch with Danielle & Toya all the time, but Matthew took the brunt for that instead.

And to be fair to Helen (and please don't make me type this often), inside that house there must be a calmer, more upfront attitude around Helen than there was amongst Toya/Ashleigh/Matthew's constant whispering. I think most HMs who've been evicted have said stuff along the lines of you always know where she stands... whereas Ashleigh's openly (thanks BB!) tried to play a game.

But if there're people who hate Ashleigh I imagine it's because she gets a strong presentation of "here is Ashleigh whining and bitching" in highlights. Not enough happy moments shown tbh.

Is it so hard to believe that someone doesn't perceive helen the way that's the 'norm'?
Not because they wish to rebel against the grain of popular opinion or some vain mirroring?

Some actually 'go against' ashleigh as they can't see this happy girl, just a manipulative, self serving and rude young woman.
I don't think she's far from helen in her treatment of others but isn't as loyal to those she has around her.
I don't wish to be put in a box as a die hard helen supporter or an ashleigh hater as I'm neither, they are both as ruthless as each other and that's becoming more and more apparent.

[booboomartin]

Originally Posted by Achilles

a) Because she "bitches" about Helen?
b) Because "she" bitches about Helen?

because she is a two faced bitch herself. beautiful face, ugly inside. swears like a trooper, pretends to be so sweet, but fails to keep the act up. she has to remember that the public see everything, not impressed. the only reason winston was evicted was because the ashleigh brigade saw him as a threat to their princess (choke). tactical voting by them got rid of what they saw as her main threat.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by booboomartin

because she is a two faced bitch herself. beautiful face, ugly inside. swears like a trooper, pretends to be so sweet, but fails to keep the act up.

She's never pretended to be sweet. People just think this because she's young and pretty.

she has to remember that the public see everything, not impressed.

Yes, we do. And she's odds on favourite to win.

the only reason winston was evicted was because the ashleigh brigade saw him as a threat to their princess (choke). tactical voting by them got rid of what they saw as her main threat.

So there's a lot of them then.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by booboomartin

because she is a two faced bitch herself. beautiful face, ugly inside. swears like a trooper, pretends to be so sweet, but fails to keep the act up. she has to remember that the public see everything, not impressed. the only reason winston was evicted was because the ashleigh brigade saw him as a threat to their princess (choke). tactical voting by them got rid of what they saw as her main threat.

She is a real person and real people swear. She doesn't pretend to be sweet, she IS sweet. When you are trapped in a house with scum, you react. If she wins she will be giving to an animal charity. Nasty people don't give to charity. Nasty people like Helen and Winston who scoffed at giving Ł1k to charity. Winston was one of the nasty gang and deserved to be evicted. Him winning would be almost as bad as Helen winning.

[mrflibble]

If people don't like her because she bitches, then they must dislike every Big Brother housemate ever She doesn't pretend to not bitch, like others claim they do.

I also agree with Yaki da that people just assume she's sweet because of how she looks. I don't think she is this 'sweet, innocent princess' that people keep calling her, I think it's entirely down to her looks. I like Ashleigh and it's because she's normal and doesn't pretend to be anything as well as other traits she holds. She is a nice and caring person, but she's also human. I do think that some people on both sides of the camp either justify some of her behaviour because of how she looks or use her looks to make her behaviour seem worse than it is (which perhaps straight females who don't care about her appearance may see better than others).

I also don't know why people are complaining about her swearing. Everyone swears. I personally don't swear and never have, but I don't find it offensive and I don't care if people do it. Maybe it's because I've grown up in Australia where every second word people say is a swear word that I don't find it offensive or noticeable, but it doesn't bother me at all. Words aren't important, it's their context.

I can understand why people don't like her, because no-one is universally liked (or hated), but sometimes the reasons given seem to be clutching at straws or using traits that apply to any housemate or any regular person.

[Achilles]

Ashleigh is sweet, but she isn't a Zoe one emotion type of person. If you put a Helen in her face she reacts because she is human. Her emotions are real and her interactions with the housemates are real.

[Macie Lightfoot]

She's not hated; you're just making yet another thread where you can act like a martyr for your Ashleigh fandom and add some more annoying propaganda to get people to vote her to win.

[mrflibble]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Ashleigh is sweet, but she isn't a Zoe one emotion type of person. If you put a Helen in her face she reacts because she is human. Her emotions are real and her interactions with the housemates are real.

I tend to think of 'sweet' as this like childlike innocence where glitter just pours out of every orifice and not really as a compliment, which is why I don't really consider Ashleigh sweet. That's not to say I don't think she's a nice or caring person though.