[Shaun]

She isn't in the grand scheme of things though. She still gets cheers, she's favourite to win

I think some might just go against her because they want to support an underdog or someone that's been generally nice all season like Pav, Christopher or Winston were. Or they want to support the Helen camp because they love being contrary and see themselves in her open-mouthed bluntness.

But then tbh I think people only like her because she's picked up Chris' (or the public's) hatred of Helen/Steven/Ash and put it into the house rather than into the Diary Room. She's had weeks where she's narrowly escaped eviction for being a whiney bitch with Danielle & Toya all the time, but Matthew took the brunt for that instead.

And to be fair to Helen (and please don't make me type this often), inside that house there must be a calmer, more upfront attitude around Helen than there was amongst Toya/Ashleigh/Matthew's constant whispering. I think most HMs who've been evicted have said stuff along the lines of you always know where she stands... whereas Ashleigh's openly (thanks BB!) tried to play a game.

But if there're people who hate Ashleigh I imagine it's because she gets a strong presentation of "here is Ashleigh whining and bitching" in highlights. Not enough happy moments shown tbh.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Shaun

She isn't in the grand scheme of things though. She still gets cheers, she's favourite to win

I think some might just go against her because they want to support an underdog or someone that's been generally nice all season like Pav, Christopher or Winston were. Or they want to support the Helen camp because they love being contrary and see themselves in her open-mouthed bluntness.

But then tbh I think people only like her because she's picked up Chris' (or the public's) hatred of Helen/Steven/Ash and put it into the house rather than into the Diary Room. She's had weeks where she's narrowly escaped eviction for being a whiney bitch with Danielle & Toya all the time, but Matthew took the brunt for that instead.

And to be fair to Helen (and please don't make me type this often), inside that house there must be a calmer, more upfront attitude around Helen than there was amongst Toya/Ashleigh/Matthew's constant whispering. I think most HMs who've been evicted have said stuff along the lines of you always know where she stands... whereas Ashleigh's openly (thanks BB!) tried to play a game.

But if there're people who hate Ashleigh I imagine it's because she gets a strong presentation of "here is Ashleigh whining and bitching" in highlights. Not enough happy moments shown tbh.

Is it so hard to believe that someone doesn't perceive helen the way that's the 'norm'?
Not because they wish to rebel against the grain of popular opinion or some vain mirroring?

Some actually 'go against' ashleigh as they can't see this happy girl, just a manipulative, self serving and rude young woman.
I don't think she's far from helen in her treatment of others but isn't as loyal to those she has around her.
I don't wish to be put in a box as a die hard helen supporter or an ashleigh hater as I'm neither, they are both as ruthless as each other and that's becoming more and more apparent.