[sampvt]

By definition the word is , as explained by our modern dictionaries is......

An action that a person uses superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force them to do something.

Now I am no expert on the subject and normally I refrain from getting involved in these petty disputes, but it seems to me that Perez has discovered that he cant win by fair means, after last weeks boos, so he is resorting to unfair means which is being okeyd by BB.

Ken gets oiked and Jeremy has been evicted and both deserved it but the reason for Alex walking was grossly unfair and Perez is using the same tactics on Katie. He knows the rules and he has researched the show so why oh why is BB allowing this stupidity.

It beggars beiefe that BB are willing to break their own rules in order to allow someone to be bullied. If he did it to Patsy or a weak member of the cast which made them cry, he would be sanctioned for sure, so why allow it to happen to Katie H.

CXlip his wings and force him to do something else so we can see his inventive side as this baby crap is getting on my nerves and diluting BB's authorative control on the series. Speidi started this and people got warned when they went against them, so why not apply the same actions here.

[abhorson]

They are smart enough to know how to not cross the line and break BB's own set of rules.

Boundaries are close but still no six has been scored.

[bots]

Perez seems to know how to play the game and test the limits in whatever he does. The problem is that the other housemates are not playing him at the same game.

I firmly believe that if Perez did some of the things he does in the house in the real world he would have gotten a good slap and no one would have blinked. However, in the house he is taking advantage of the no physical violence option meaning the housemates don't have their normal form of response.

The housemates need to find a alternative to violence, if they do, they will soon put Perez in his place.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Perez seems to know how to play the game and test the limits in whatever he does. The problem is that the other housemates are not playing him at the same game.

I firmly believe that if Perez did some of the things he does in the house in the real world he would have gotten a good slap and no one would have blinked. However, in the house he is taking advantage of the no physical violence option meaning the housemates don't have their normal form of response.

The housemates need to find a alternative to violence, if they do, they will soon put Perez in his place.

I totally agree but the only action they could take would be to send him to Coventry or ignore him and Nadia would never allow that as she relishes the fact that Perez is annoying her nemesis for her, hence her support of him. If she goes tonight, the game will change and Patsy will walk to leave him pretty isolated.

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Perez seems to know how to play the game and test the limits in whatever he does. The problem is that the other housemates are not playing him at the same game.

I firmly believe that if Perez did some of the things he does in the house in the real world he would have gotten a good slap and no one would have blinked. However, in the house he is taking advantage of the no physical violence option meaning the housemates don't have their normal form of response.

The housemates need to find a alternative to violence, if they do, they will soon put Perez in his place.

The sent to Coventry ploy may have been an ideal option as without a reaction Perez would be nothing.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Perez seems to know how to play the game and test the limits in whatever he does. The problem is that the other housemates are not playing him at the same game.

I firmly believe that if Perez did some of the things he does in the house in the real world he would have gotten a good slap and no one would have blinked. However, in the house he is taking advantage of the no physical violence option meaning the housemates don't have their normal form of response.

The housemates need to find a alternative to violence, if they do, they will soon put Perez in his place.

Him and Nadia out please
on Friday.

[-Sue-]

I don't consider putting cheese up his nose.. smiling or going up to the glass (by the kitchen) bullying.. I consider it 'teasing'

If anyone is a bully it would be Katie H - using personal insults endlessly attacking Perez & others at any given opportunity. (but she is tactful) when she insulted about 'weight' it was ONLY aimed at Perez (and there is more than 1 HM who is not tiny) would she dare attack Michelle with those same words?

I don't see how any of Perez's recent actions/words could have been considered bullying .. teasing yes...

Katie has been allowed to get away with all-sorts in that house IMO most of which I do not agree with at all!

But then again we go back to the old chestnut of free speech.. free the cheese?..has Perez 'chosen' to take offence? or is he being the better person by not hurling insults back at Katie? I am 100% sure if Katie behaved towards Michelle or Cami there would be an explosion in that house..

Katie's vile worlds towards Perez are getting old.. it's the same **** everytime he is near her .. she needs to get some new material BB should allow her to go on ebay for 10 mins so she can buy both a personality and a sense of humour!

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

I don't consider putting cheese up his nose.. smiling or going up to the glass (by the kitchen) bullying.. I consider it 'teasing'

If anyone is a bully it would be Katie H - using personal insults endlessly attacking Perez & others at any given opportunity. (but she is tactful) when she insulted about 'weight' it was ONLY aimed at Perez (and there is more than 1 HM who is not tiny) would she dare attack Michelle with those same words?

I don't see how any of Perez's recent actions/words could have been considered bullying .. teasing yes...

Katie has been allowed to get away with all-sorts in that house IMO most of which I do not agree with at all!

But then again we go back to the old chestnut of free speech.. free the cheese?..has Perez 'chosen' to take offence? or is he being the better person by not hurling insults back at Katie? I am 100% sure if Katie behaved towards Michelle or Cami there would be an explosion in that house..

Katie's vile worlds towards Perez are getting old.. it's the same **** everytime he is near her .. she needs to get some new material BB should allow her to go on ebay for 10 mins so she can buy both a personality and a sense of humour!

Once again you admirable support for perez leaves me in no doubt that you find his actions in some way correct. I think the vast majority of the GBP would argue against that scenario as it is only funny if you support bullying. Personally I find any actions that create such parity, disgusting and pathetic but if you want to carry on supporting him then that's your right. His actions are set out to inflame tempers and gain a retort that allows him to precipitate that action and gain airtime.

He isn't really a bully because bullies generally have a character that depicts superiority, he is simply hiding behind BB's shirt tails and lies safe in the knowledge that he is protected by them, an act that he knows well as he is also a bully from behind a computer screen in real life.

In short he is a spineless little coward that uses computer screens and the rule book to get attention. If either he or anyone was to come to my manor or indeed anywhere else in the real world and act like that, he wouldn't last 2 mins and the judge would say he was guilty of inciting violence by intimidation.

However BB has given him a free run at in the hope it creates drama but they are very wrong as it is teaching kids looking at the show that his actions are in some way right and fair.

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Once again you admirable support for perez leaves me in no doubt that you find his actions in some way correct. I think the vast majority of the GBP would argue against that scenario as it is only funny if you support bullying. Personally I find any actions that create such parity, disgusting and pathetic but if you want to carry on supporting him then that's your right. His actions are set out to inflame tempers and gain a retort that allows him to precipitate that action and gain airtime.

He isn't really a bully because bullies generally have a character that depicts superiority, he is simply hiding behind BB's shirt tails and lies safe in the knowledge that he is protected by them, an act that he knows well as he is also a bully from behind a computer screen in real life.

In short he is a spineless little coward that uses computer screens and the rule book to get attention. If either he or anyone was to come to my manor or indeed anywhere else in the real world and act like that, he wouldn't last 2 mins and the judge would say he was guilty of inciting violence by intimidation.

However BB has given him a free run at in the hope it creates drama but they are very wrong as it is teaching kids looking at the show that his actions are in some way right and fair.

In a nutshell.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by sampvt;7517530[B

]Once again you admirable support for perez leaves me in no doubt that you find his actions in some way correct. I think the vast majority of the GBP would argue against that scenario as it is only funny if you support bullying[/B]. Personally I find any actions that create such parity, disgusting and pathetic but if you want to carry on supporting him then that's your right. His actions are set out to inflame tempers and gain a retort that allows him to precipitate that action and gain airtime.

He isn't really a bully because bullies generally have a character that depicts superiority, he is simply hiding behind BB's shirt tails and lies safe in the knowledge that he is protected by them, an act that he knows well as he is also a bully from behind a computer screen in real life.

In short he is a spineless little coward that uses computer screens and the rule book to get attention. If either he or anyone was to come to my manor or indeed anywhere else in the real world and act like that, he wouldn't last 2 mins and the judge would say he was guilty of inciting violence by intimidation.

However BB has given him a free run at in the hope it creates drama but they are very wrong as it is teaching kids looking at the show that his actions are in some way right and fair.

Hey now I do not support bullying in anyway - I was responding to your original post 'strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force them to do something' surely you can see that Katie has been telling Perez to leave & then making fun of anyone that talks to him (thus making HM's afraid to talk to him to avoid her viscious tongue) harassing him endlessly ...even during the debate standing up stating her 'opinion' louder! and louder.. just because she can talk loudly and has opinions on everything doesn't mean she is right! .. somethings simply need to be laughed off.. eg Perez in the garden doing his 'bizarre' window thing! (eek) it made all HMs nuts! and he wasn't insulting bullying a single soul! He was making an eejit out of himself but he proved a point that simply by breathing in and out.. he can annoy people..

I suppose this might be where we go back to 'it's ok if katie says it' but HOW DARE anyone else say these things! *sigh*

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

I suppose this might be where we go back to 'it's ok if katie says it' but HOW DARE anyone else say these things! *sigh*

The thing is, just about everything written in the ops posts could be about Hopkins.

I'm with you; Perez is not a bully, he's an annoying idiot sometimes, he's an attention seeker and he's loud mouthed childish clown but he's not a bully. He's been a victim of bullying in the house but unlike Alicia, he brought a lot of that on himself. What he hasn't done is intimidate; what he hasn't done is make threats and what he hasn't done is form an allegiance of bullies to gang up on Hopkins and her followers. Whilst Nadia is on his side, she doesn't bully back, she just speaks up for him when Hopkins goes into overdrive.

I'm baffled with the bully badge that has been firmly pinned on Parez by some of the Hopkins followers. I'm not a fan of Parez and I'm not a fan of Hopkins so this is an unbiased view. Of course fans of one or tother will side with the person they like but that's all that's going on in threads like this.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The thing is, just about everything written in the ops posts could be about Hopkins.

I'm with you; Perez is not a bully, he's an annoying idiot sometimes, he's an attention seeker and he's loud mouthed childish clown but he's not a bully. He's been a victim of bullying in the house but unlike Alicia, he brought a lot of that on himself. What he hasn't done is intimidate; what he hasn't done is make threats and what he hasn't done is form an allegiance of bullies to gang up on Hopkins and her followers. Whilst Nadia is on his side, she doesn't bully back, she just speaks up for him when Hopkins goes into overdrive.

I'm baffled with the bully badge that has been firmly pinned on Parez by some of the Hopkins followers. I'm not a fan of Parez and I'm not a fan of Hopkins so this is an unbiased view. Of course fans of one or tother will side with the person they like but that's all that's going on in threads like this.

Great post and thank you

[bots]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The thing is, just about everything written in the ops posts could be about Hopkins.

I'm with you; Perez is not a bully, he's an annoying idiot sometimes, he's an attention seeker and he's loud mouthed childish clown but he's not a bully. He's been a victim of bullying in the house but unlike Alicia, he brought a lot of that on himself. What he hasn't done is intimidate; what he hasn't done is make threats and what he hasn't done is form an allegiance of bullies to gang up on Hopkins and her followers. Whilst Nadia is on his side, she doesn't bully back, she just speaks up for him when Hopkins goes into overdrive.

I'm baffled with the bully badge that has been firmly pinned on Parez by some of the Hopkins followers. I'm not a fan of Parez and I'm not a fan of Hopkins so this is an unbiased view. Of course fans of one or tother will side with the person they like but that's all that's going on in threads like this.

hmm, i would say Perez bullied Alex without a doubt, he pestered him, taunted him, went to his bed and woke him in the middle of the night, continually followed him making jibes and pulling faces. That is bullying

On another level, he bullied big brother with his i don't feel safe and threatening to walk antics into getting Jeremy and Ken removed

i do change my opinion on this every day though

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The thing is, just about everything written in the ops posts could be about Hopkins.

I'm with you; Perez is not a bully, he's an annoying idiot sometimes, he's an attention seeker and he's loud mouthed childish clown but he's not a bully. He's been a victim of bullying in the house but unlike Alicia, he brought a lot of that on himself. What he hasn't done is intimidate; what he hasn't done is make threats and what he hasn't done is form an allegiance of bullies to gang up on Hopkins and her followers. Whilst Nadia is on his side, she doesn't bully back, she just speaks up for him when Hopkins goes into overdrive.

I'm baffled with the bully badge that has been firmly pinned on Parez by some of the Hopkins followers. I'm not a fan of Parez and I'm not a fan of Hopkins so this is an unbiased view. Of course fans of one or tother will side with the person they like but that's all that's going on in threads like this.

I struggle with this one how people can not see that the behaviour of both Perez and Katie are exactly the same and they are constantly winding ach other up. Both have done some pretty childish things and continue to do so. I could champion neither one of them but the blinkers are definitely on on both camps fans it would seem.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

I don't consider putting cheese up his nose.. smiling or going up to the glass (by the kitchen) bullying.. I consider it 'teasing'

If anyone is a bully it would be Katie H - using personal insults endlessly attacking Perez & others at any given opportunity. (but she is tactful) when she insulted about 'weight' it was ONLY aimed at Perez (and there is more than 1 HM who is not tiny) would she dare attack Michelle with those same words?

I don't see how any of Perez's recent actions/words could have been considered bullying .. teasing yes...

Katie has been allowed to get away with all-sorts in that house IMO most of which I do not agree with at all!

But then again we go back to the old chestnut of free speech.. free the cheese?..has Perez 'chosen' to take offence? or is he being the better person by not hurling insults back at Katie? I am 100% sure if Katie behaved towards Michelle or Cami there would be an explosion in that house..

Katie's vile worlds towards Perez are getting old.. it's the same **** everytime he is near her .. she needs to get some new material BB should allow her to go on ebay for 10 mins so she can buy both a personality and a sense of humour!

great post Sue

[Pincho Paxton]

They did talk about sending him to Coventry. It was KH who said it, and KH immediately started talking to him.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

They did talk about sending him to Coventry. It was KH who said it, and KH immediately started talking to him.

she's a dick..on another issue, I read the first few pages of your poncho Paxton thread in the av forums..hardly stopped laughing since, good work.

[abhorson]

But the other side of me thinks that he deserves everything he gets. But KH is going slightly overboard.

[Pincho Paxton]

It's not bullying.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

It's not bullying.

Not if you live in a PC bubble it isn't, be more specific

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Not if you live in a PC bubble it isn't, be more specific

People have already said what I would say...

He poked his tongue through a rabbits ears. he breathed on some food (maybe). He did a sex routine with a mirror. There was no bullying.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Not if you live in a PC bubble it isn't, be more specific

You know the whole 'PC' thing has been thrown about a lot this year.. I would rather be PC and still have a laugh at my own expense than being some loud mouth who thinks it's ok to offend all those she considers beneath her or different

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

You know the whole 'PC' thing has been thrown about a lot this year.. I would rather be PC and still have a laugh at my own expense than being some loud mouth who thinks it's ok to offend all those she considers beneath her or different

You cant support one and malign the other, when they are as bad as each other. Cherry picking certain actions to prove a point isn't allowed. He is winding her up, she is reacting and they are both wrong but BB lets it happen and you condone it. That's my point. Get them both in and give them both a final warning and let them go. We will then see the others start to shine. AT THE MOMENT THE OTHERS ARE ONLY THERE TO TAKE UP SPACE.

[Jack The Cat]

Originally Posted by sampvt

You cant support one and malign the other, when they are as bad as each other. Cherry picking certain actions to prove a point isn't allowed. He is winding her up, she is reacting and they are both wrong but BB lets it happen and you condone it. That's my point. Get them both in and give them both a final warning and let them go. We will then see the others start to shine. AT THE MOMENT THE OTHERS ARE ONLY THERE TO TAKE UP SPACE.

Good post but I wouldn't warn them, no one has been physically hurt and while they are both at it, ratings go up as it makes great TV.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by sampvt

You cant support one and malign the other, when they are as bad as each other. Cherry picking certain actions to prove a point isn't allowed. He is winding her up, she is reacting and they are both wrong but BB lets it happen and you condone it. That's my point. Get them both in and give them both a final warning and let them go. We will then see the others start to shine. AT THE MOMENT THE OTHERS ARE ONLY THERE TO TAKE UP SPACE.

We will have to agree to disagree on most of that but..will comment on this bit
He is winding her up yes does not mean she has to react the way she does!