[waterhog]

tax credit - conservative edit shame 20.10.15


we want everyone working
its not just a conservative dream
tax payers are fed up of shirking
they believe working provides self esteem.
so they set up a guide
so all would realize
instead of forcing the employer to adequately provide
the government would step in and subsidize.
all going smooth
but evident was the no equality
the tight and stingy boss did groove
paying the bare minimum made them richer then royalty.
now the government are withdrawing
it is a turn around and total flip
even own party back bench er's are roaring
they are even jumping ship.
you have no moral code
out of a stone you will squeeze
how will mr Osbourne deliver this explode
all smiley with spin topped with cheese.
on the conservative party is shame
this idea is not vintage
so i am playing the poetry game
i will tell the world from the box in highgate village.





http://www.itv.com/news/story/2015-1...n-tax-credits/

[Jøsh]

I get tax credit, this is wrong.

[Kizzy]

They'll be some pretty peed off conservative voting young families now I bet, I did try to warn people...

[Crimson Dynamo]

not the government trying to balance the books and cut Gordon Browns bribe tax?

[Kizzy]

No, he spent up on bombs so he needs some more moola.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fec064e6-7...#axzz3p7E9MwJA

[smudgie]

Not really sure who will be getting what until April.
The bill needs to be brought down somewhat.

[joeysteele]

No they are totally wrong.

There is nothing wrong with looking at better ways of securing peoples incomes but just about every independent organisation has found problems and losers as to the plans as set out in these proposals.

To phase in the benefits while cutting in full, is typical, in my view of this govts failure to understand peoples real needs.

It is a mess and many Conservative MPs have misgivings as to how this is planned to be doing done, whether they stop being cowards and actually vote against such proposals, well that is another issue altogether.

I along with others were not fooled by Camerons further lying in the election as to tax credits being hit.
So it comes as no surprise to me at all the he and Osborne conned voters again.
To those who believed them and trusted them and who will be now left far worse off, then the answer is simple for them in the future now.
Vote the liars out.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

not the government trying to balance the books and cut Gordon Browns bribe tax?

So you agree with Ian Drunken Smith? The man who has breakfast with Lord Lucan before riding Shergar into Central London for Cabinet Meetings?

[Kizzy]

I suggest they are hounded out of office for lying in their manifesto, why is that allowed...
What is the point of those things if they do the polar opposite of what they set out to do prior to an election?

[JoshBB]

Absolutely wrong. Their 'getting people back into work' rubbish is now crushed.

Tax Credits are to help those working on low-income, so this literally won't 'incentive going back to work' as they usually put it..

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I suggest they are hounded out of office for lying in their manifesto, why is that allowed...
What is the point of those things if they do the polar opposite of what they set out to do prior to an election?

If that was allowable, there would have not been ONE single Government in the past 60 years who had remained in power for their first full term, let alone second terms.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

If that was allowable, there would have not been ONE single Government in the past 60 years who had remained in power for their first full term, let alone second terms.

I don't think any politician has ever broken something they EXPLICITLY spelled out so strongly..

Youtube video

[Kizzy]

Mind you they did the same last time, what was that saying again?... ''The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results''.

[Livia]

When the Conservatives are voted out and Labour get back in they'll take over a strong economy and quickly spend all the money... then the Conservatives will get back in and have to make cuts. They'll get the country back on its feel financially, then Labour will get back in and spend it all again. That's insanity.

[Kizzy]

The tories are revolting.

A Conservative MP has used her maiden speech in the House of Commons to lambast George Osborne for planning to penalise low-paid workers with cuts to tax credits.

In a pointed address, Heidi Allen said the cuts fail David Cameron’s “family test” and are driven by the chancellor’s mistaken decision to run an overall budget surplus.
The MP for Cambridgeshire South said she had declined to make her maiden speech until now because she saw no point in doing so because both sides are “firmly married to their respective positions”.

Allen has asked questions since her election but had not delivered a full speech until a Labour debate on tax credits on Tuesday. She said: “It is right that people are encouraged to strive for self reliance and to find work that pays for their independence from the state. But I worry that our single-minded determination to run a budget surplus is betraying who we are. I know true Conservatives have compassion running through their veins.”

http://www.theguardian.com/money/201...x-credit-plans

[kirklancaster]

The government are wrong. Across The Board Austerity Cuts are draconian, ill founded, and unnecessarily compound the financial and emotional suffering of the GENUINELY ill and needy. It would make far more economic sense to leave benefits alone and concentrate resources on detecting ALL types of benefit fraudsters and stopping their false claims. This would save the country as much money as 'Austerity Cuts' without creating further problems down the line.

Action DOES NEED to be taken to reduce the UK's preposterous Benefits costs, but this IS NOT the way forward.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

When the Conservatives are voted out and Labour get back in they'll take over a strong economy and quickly spend all the money... then the Conservatives will get back in and have to make cuts. They'll get the country back on its feel financially, then Labour will get back in and spend it all again. That's insanity.

Gross National Debt
FY 2015* £1.36 trillion
FY 2014 £1.26 trillion
FY 2013 £1.19 trillion
FY 2012 £1.10 trillion
FY 2011 £0.91 trillion
FY 2010 £0.76 trillion
FY 2009 £0.62 trillion
FY 2008 £0.53 trillion

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk...ebt_chart.html

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

The government are wrong. Across The Board Austerity Cuts are draconian, ill founded, and unnecessarily compound the financial and emotional suffering of the GENUINELY ill and needy. It would make far more economic sense to leave benefits alone and concentrate resources on detecting ALL types of benefit fraudsters and stopping their false claims. This would save the country as much money as 'Austerity Cuts' without creating further problems down the line.

Action DOES NEED to be taken to reduce the UK's preposterous Benefits costs, but this IS NOT the way forward.

I have to agree. These cuts are brutal. I also agree that our benefits are generally preposterous and they need to be sorted to weed out those who've got comfortable sitting at home when they're well able to work. Tax Credits, pensions and disability payments should be out of reach though when it comes to cuts.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Livia

When the Conservatives are voted out and Labour get back in they'll take over a strong economy and quickly spend all the money... then the Conservatives will get back in and have to make cuts. They'll get the country back on its feel financially, then Labour will get back in and spend it all again. That's insanity.

Sadly yes. It's a vicious circle.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Gross National Debt
FY 2015* £1.36 trillion
FY 2014 £1.26 trillion
FY 2013 £1.19 trillion
FY 2012 £1.10 trillion
FY 2011 £0.91 trillion
FY 2010 £0.76 trillion
FY 2009 £0.62 trillion
FY 2008 £0.53 trillion

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk...ebt_chart.html

I don't reply to cut and paste opinions.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The tories are revolting.

A Conservative MP has used her maiden speech in the House of Commons to lambast George Osborne for planning to penalise low-paid workers with cuts to tax credits.

In a pointed address, Heidi Allen said the cuts fail David Cameron’s “family test” and are driven by the chancellor’s mistaken decision to run an overall budget surplus.
The MP for Cambridgeshire South said she had declined to make her maiden speech until now because she saw no point in doing so because both sides are “firmly married to their respective positions”.

Allen has asked questions since her election but had not delivered a full speech until a Labour debate on tax credits on Tuesday. She said: “It is right that people are encouraged to strive for self reliance and to find work that pays for their independence from the state. But I worry that our single-minded determination to run a budget surplus is betraying who we are. I know true Conservatives have compassion running through their veins.”

http://www.theguardian.com/money/201...x-credit-plans

Bloody hell - first time I've ever found myself nodding and thinking 'shes so right!!' about a conservative.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't reply to cut and paste opinions.

I didn't ask for a reply, I just thought I'd post some stats as opposed to my guesstimate.

[JoshBB]

I just found out that Heidi Allen still voted in line with party whip

Bit of a hypocrite then really

[Kizzy]

It wouldn't have been very good for her fledgling career to do that, at least she's made her feelings known... it's a start

[Northern Monkey]

The government should'nt even think about this until they have forced every employer to pay a proper living wage.An actual living wage that people can live on.The country is'nt ready for this now.