[Niamh.]

Ok so maybe they do do stuff Thoughts?


Shadowy hacking group steps up cyber-conflict by revealing names and addresses of suspected ISIS zealots



Anonymous has begun publishing the names and addresses of alleged ISIS recruiters.

The masked hacking group declared war against the Islamic State in the wake of the Paris attacks, vowing to silence extremist propaganda and expose undercover operatives.

Now it has leaked details of at least five men it claims are recruiters for the terror group, as well as taking down 5,500 Twitter accounts.

Mirror Online has seen the names, addresses and phone numbers of men living in countries including Afghanistan, Tunisia and Somalia.

Anonymous activists also claimed to have identified a "high-ranking" recruiter living in Europe, but have not yet published an address.

We have contacted some of the men who have been named, but they have not replied and we have been unable to verify if the allegations against them are true.

Some Anonymous spokesmen claimed to have closed down a total of 5,500 ISIS supporters' Twitter accounts, whilst others put the figure at 900.

Hitting these accounts is seen as a way of shutting down the ISIS recruitment and propaganda machine.

A group of hackers called GhostSec is also working feverishly to identify the Paris attackers.

"We have been flooded with data," a source told us.



Anonymous is now compiling a massive list of Twitter accounts and web pages ahead of a large cyber-assault due to take place later this evening.


Anonymous has begun publishing the names and addresses of alleged ISIS recruiters.

The masked hacking group declared war against the Islamic State in the wake of the Paris attacks, vowing to silence extremist propaganda and expose undercover operatives.

Now it has leaked details of at least five men it claims are recruiters for the terror group, as well as taking down 5,500 Twitter accounts.

Mirror Online has seen the names, addresses and phone numbers of men living in countries including Afghanistan, Tunisia and Somalia.

Anonymous activists also claimed to have identified a "high-ranking" recruiter living in Europe, but have not yet published an address.

We have contacted some of the men who have been named, but they have not replied and we have been unable to verify if the allegations against them are true.


Some Anonymous spokesmen claimed to have closed down a total of 5,500 ISIS supporters' Twitter accounts, whilst others put the figure at 900.

Hitting these accounts is seen as a way of shutting down the ISIS recruitment and propaganda machine.

A group of hackers called GhostSec is also working feverishly to identify the Paris attackers.

"We have been flooded with data," a source told us.

Anonymous is now compiling a massive list of Twitter accounts and web pages ahead of a large cyber-assault due to take place later this evening.



It is expected to use a digital weapon called a "DDoS" to shut down websites.

Yesterday, the hackers released a video which warned: "You should know that we will find you and we will not let you go."

"Expect massive cyber attacks. War is declared.

"Get prepared."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technol...FB_mirror_main

[kirklancaster]

Absolutely Brilliant. If they succeed in just 1% of their claims, this will be a blow to the terrorist pond slime who only function because of their subtteranean, clandestine cowardly dealings.

More importantly, it reinforces the 'feeling' that a new movement is rising throughout the world, one of defiance and solidarity, and one which shouts its message with new voices added - those of the hitherto silent majority who were too frightened to open their mouths and too intimidated to 'Stand Up And Be Counted' because of decades of terrorist beneficial 'Political Correctness'.

Viva la revolution.

[Jamie89]

My biggest problem with this is that they're alleged ISIS recruiters, which means they might not actually be ISIS recruiters, and yet they're having their names and addresses revealed? This doesn't fit with a society that bases it's justice system on the ethos of 'innocent until proven guilty'. Very disconcerting

[Ammi]

..sorry, I haven't got time to read it all through now, Naimh but I will do that later...quick thoughts though..?...hmmmm, see it's all 'suspected' though and what if any one of those names is wrong and would it lead to any sort of vigilante actions...also, say if a name was published of someone living in your town for instance..?..so then, you and all of your other neighbours and the surrounding people etc would know this name then...and that person would know that you would all know their name..?..so even if it was all correct and they were indeed a potential public danger..?...would they not think, oh well..so that's it, I'll blow us all up now/this whole town because the armed forces will be at my door any second...whereas if the names aren't published, then there could be less chance of any terrorist actions because anyone involved would feel that they hadn't been discovered, when maybe they have by intelligence services and are being watched etc....

...I don't know really, it feels a bit like in the movies..(sorry for the analogy but I'm rushing..)...when there are 'undercover cops' involved for very good reason and very good reason why they don't want to act straight way and then other regular cops come barging in and blow their cover....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

My biggest problem with this is that they're alleged ISIS recruiters, which means they might not actually be ISIS recruiters, and yet they're having their names and addresses revealed? This doesn't fit with a society that bases it's justice system on the ethos of 'innocent until proven guilty'. Very disconcerting

...ughhh, I wish that I could make little posts like you, that says it all anyway......alleged, yes...not a very comforting word, is it...

[Liam-]

I'm all for this, where the government fails in their actions is that they're so concerned about doing something that could look 'morally wrong' in the eyes of the population, that they don't go to the extra lengths to get information, so even though they're basically criminals themselves, Anonymous doing this allows information to be got freely, at least these criminals are trying to do something good with their powers.

[bots]

lets not be too hasty in congratulating anonymous.

1. How long does it take to create an alternative twitter account, 20 seconds? Its not achieved anything.

2. By stomping in and naming people, they could easily have disrupted on going operations that were uncovering networks, cells etc. Now that chance has gone.

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

My biggest problem with this is that they're alleged ISIS recruiters, which means they might not actually be ISIS recruiters, and yet they're having their names and addresses revealed? This doesn't fit with a society that bases it's justice system on the ethos of 'innocent until proven guilty'. Very disconcerting

Originally Posted by Ammi

..sorry, I haven't got time to read it all through now, Naimh but I will do that later...quick thoughts though..?...hmmmm, see it's all 'suspected' though and what if any one of those names is wrong and would it lead to any sort of vigilante actions...also, say if a name was published of someone living in your town for instance..?..so then, you and all of your other neighbours and the surrounding people etc would know this name then...and that person would know that you would all know their name..?..so even if it was all correct and they were indeed a potential public danger..?...would they not think, oh well..so that's it, I'll blow us all up now/this whole town because the armed forces will be at my door any second...whereas if the names aren't published, then there could be less chance of any terrorist actions because anyone involved would feel that they hadn't been discovered, when maybe they have by intelligence services and are being watched etc....

...I don't know really, it feels a bit like in the movies..(sorry for the analogy but I'm rushing..)...when there are 'undercover cops' involved for very good reason and very good reason why they don't want to act straight way and then other regular cops come barging in and blow their cover....

Agree with both of these^, plus with what Alex said in the other thread. If taking down ISIS twitter accounts was of significant benefit to the fight against terrorism then the government would have done this a long time ago. What if the intelligence services were monitoring them for some reason or another? We moan about the government's response but there's nothing Anonymous can do that the government couldn't have done long ago if they deemed it necessary and Anon themselves certainly won't be the ones to bring down ISIS. They should stay away from this IMO, it's way too serious a problem and they could easily screw something up for the official investigations.

[Niamh.]

Yeah I'm kind of on the fence with it, I understand the arguments against them but at the same time why is it any different to countries bombing in reaction to terrorist attacks? that could disrupt ongoing intelligence as well couldn't it?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah I'm kind of on the fence with it, I understand the arguments against them but at the same time why is it any different to countries bombing in reaction to terrorist attacks? that could disrupt ongoing intelligence as well couldn't it?

Absolutely.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I'm all for this, where the government fails in their actions is that they're so concerned about doing something that could look 'morally wrong' in the eyes of the population, that they don't go to the extra lengths to get information, so even though they're basically criminals themselves, Anonymous doing this allows information to be got freely, at least these criminals are trying to do something good with their powers.

Extremely well written Liam, and very, very valid.

[Kizzy]

Good point actually Niamh the day after the Paris attacks countries were lining up to strike Raqqa.
I'm all for individuals having power and yet I wouldn't want this to be seen as simply tubthumping or an excuse for a rise in far right thinking to be seen as acceptable.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I'm all for this, where the government fails in their actions is that they're so concerned about doing something that could look 'morally wrong' in the eyes of the population, that they don't go to the extra lengths to get information, so even though they're basically criminals themselves, Anonymous doing this allows information to be got freely, at least these criminals are trying to do something good with their powers.

I agree with this, and I'm not against Anonymous getting involved to an extent. If they can help then I think that's great. It's just the nature of their involvement in this report that makes me feel uneasy. That the information they have might not be correct and so they could be exposing names and addresses of innocent people.

[Cherie]

Don't agree with publishing the details ,if they are recruiters it would have made more sense to pass this information on privately so the accounts could be monitored and arrests made if appropriate, publishing the details sends them deeper underground I feel

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Don't agree with publishing the details ,if they are recruiters it would have made more sense to pass this information on privately so the accounts could be monitored and arrests made if appropriate, publishing the details sends them deeper underground I feel

While that's true, wouldn't sending them deeper underground also make it alot harder for them to recruit and organise themselves?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

While that's true, wouldn't sending them deeper underground also make it alot harder for them to recruit and organise themselves?

Not really as BOTS said they can easily open another account(I think)

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not really as BOTS said they can easily open another account(I think)

I was just responding to the "sending them deeper underground" bit

[bots]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I was just responding to the "sending them deeper underground" bit

6ft will be enough

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

6ft will be enough

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

6ft will be enough