[the truth]

was this an all time great moment in BB history or an all time low?

It was a sad time when the great david bowie passed. An incredible guy, a phenomenal artist and unique kind man.

The fact his ex was in the house was probably just a really bizarre concidence. though advertising her grief was imo sick.

However when he passed away and it was told to his ex wife angie in the house, it really was a bizarre moment

To compound the situation she tells tiff david is dead, she gets hysterical thinking david guest is dead...in the most bizarre coincidence david was ill for days under his bed clothes

Ok so far so mad....but it escalates. Tiffany goes mental and when told its the wrong david and in fact its angie's ex husband david bowie that's dead. the problem now is tiffany carries on screaming...9 hours passes of mass hysteria when she finally calms down

ok so weeks later, tiffany is now popular as she shouts endlessly about hos she wants cock and wants to fck Jeremy and Darren and scotty t etc an pervs at scottys penis in the shower etc etc

so tonight she had another chance to clarify what happened..asked a pretty simple question, why when you knew it was david bowie and not david guest who died , why didn't you then show some sympathy?

toffanys answer

"umm maybe I just didn't care!"

Incredible. Do we forgive her and laugh it off as simply a mad spur of the moment thing? or after 9 hours of screaming and 2 weeks later all she has to say about the incident is she didn't care? does this point to a deeper rooted rottenness at the heart of tiffany?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by the truth

was this an all time great moment in BB history or an all time low?

It was a sad time when the great david bowie passed. An incredible guy, a phenomenal artist and unique kind man.

The fact his ex was in the house was probably just a really bizarre concidence. though advertising her grief was imo sick.

However when he passed away and it was told to his ex wife angie in the house, it really was a bizarre moment

To compound the situation she tells tiff david is dead, she gets hysterical thinking david guest is dead...in the most bizarre coincidence david was ill for days under his bed clothes

Ok so far so mad....but it escalates. Tiffany goes mental and when told its the wrong david and in fact its angie's ex husband david bowie that's dead. the problem now is tiffany carries on screaming...9 hours passes of mass hysteria when she finally calms down

ok so weeks later, tiffany is now popular as she shouts endlessly about hos she wants cock and wants to fck Jeremy and Darren and scotty t etc an pervs at scottys penis in the shower etc etc

so tonight she had another chance to clarify what happened..asked a pretty simple question, why when you knew it was david bowie and not david guest who died , why didn't you then show some sympathy?

toffanys answer

"umm maybe I just didn't care!"

Incredible. Do we forgive her and laugh it off as simply a mad spur of the moment thing? or after 9 hours of screaming and 2 weeks later all she has to say about the incident is she didn't care? does this point to a deeper rooted rottenness at the heart of tiffany?

Tiffany gets forgiven and excused for anything and everything ,if one of the others had said that they would have been hated

[wendywillow]

it was a surreal moment of craziness. i think tiff thought this was some sort of mind game and felt like she was being played, who cares, the made up eons ago, its only the viewers still obsessed with it

[Vicky.]

I found it so hilarious. However Tiff behaved badly continuing to go at Angie once she knew the truth. And made herself look worse about it on the main show tonight too

[Carl Jayson]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Tiffany gets forgiven and excused for anything and everything ,if one of the others had said that they would have been hated

No they wouldn't have for goodness sake stop attacking Tiffany all because you're jealous of her.

[jet]

I've been up and down with Tiff, but when she said "I didn't care" tonight that was the last straw. Plus her crude talk is just not for me.

[the truth]

shes made me laugh and cry, but im with you jet, saying she didn't care was a killer moment for me.....I detest the endless pervy talk too...which of course a man would never get away with

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by the truth

shes made me laugh and cry, but im with you jet, saying she didn't care was a killer moment for me.....I detest the endless pervy talk too...which of course a man would never get away with

You are so right- imagine the response from the audience and BB had a man been repeatedly making similar comments to or around other housemates, or trying to force physical attention from others in the way Tiffany has.

I think there would have been complaints and warnings.

[aj2463]

Originally Posted by Garfie

You are so right- imagine the response from the audience and BB had a man been repeatedly making similar comments to or around other housemates, or trying to force physical attention from others in the way Tiffany has.

I think there would have been complaints and warnings.

Scotty has done all of that... And don't try to say He hasn't please.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Garfie

You are so right- imagine the response from the audience and BB had a man been repeatedly making similar comments to or around other housemates, or trying to force physical attention from others in the way Tiffany has.

I think there would have been complaints and warnings.

Men have been discriminated against more and more on this show for years. guys have been thrown out for far far less that what tiffany has done. but I get shouted down here for being sexist simply for pointing out the sexism against men on this show.

beyond simply double standards sexism, I find all people being lewd and crude and loud utterly boring and sometimes offensive. Darren day was right there when he said her crude flirtations are just attention seeking nonsense, he was also right to keep away from her questions about cheating on his beloved wife.

all subtlety is lost sadly

maybe a male hm should go in next year, demanding p"ssy screaming for sex and grabbing their p*ssies in the shower , oh hilarious

[Stormy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Tiffany gets forgiven and excused for anything and everything ,if one of the others had said that they would have been hated

I'll take it one further Kazanne. All the others would have been forgiven with the exception of Stephanie and John.

Stephanie and John are held to a higher standard than anyone else in that house and are judged harshly against it...while every other housemate semms to get a pass.

Honestly, Gemma could have killed a kitten in a fit of rage and the housemates would blame the kitten and BB would give her a gift of a wash and a blow dry to get the blood out of her hair.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Stormy

I'll take it one further Kazanne. All the others would have been forgiven with the exception of Stephanie and John.

Stephanie and John are held to a higher standard than anyone else in that house and are judged harshly against it...while every other housemate semms to get a pass.

Honestly, Gemma could have killed a kitten in a fit of rage and the housemates would blame the kitten and BB would give her a gift of a wash and a blow dry to get the blood out of her hair.

I agree about john, hes been given a hard rap imo
hes been allright overall...I honestly think his rather unusual facial gestures have gone against him. hes a gurner. but most of what hes said ive thought was bang on

[cassieparis]

I don't think Tiffany's been forgiven. Certainly not on here. I think the fact she wasn't apologetic and fawning with Angie as the supposed grieving widow once removed, will never be forgotten.............. by some.

But Angie isn't the mourning widow or active mother of a bereaved son and the situation didn't arise purely by Tiffany's actions alone. Angie told her that David was dead.

Part of me is starting to believe that Angie told Tiff' on purpose. knowing that it would descend into farce as she'd instantly misunderstand.

I suspect because, Angie has spent the last 30 years slagging off her ex David Bowie and speaks of her son in derisory and jealous tones after decades of no contact. Smacks of revenge to me

[hot2go]

Tiffany was many things that are very unattractive in that scenario

Stupid.....you'd have to be as dumb as a post to believe there could be a dead body in the diary room with BB watching and millions of viewers, yet the only housemate privy to the info was Angie Bowie...meanwhile all the others are allowed to laugh and smoke in the garden in full view of the cameras....that is STUPID on a huge scale.

Stubborn ....too proud to admit she'd made a mistake so instead tried to justify it by attacking the grieving house mate instead.

Arrogant...when asked why she just said she did that because she didn't really care.

[Niamh.]

I'm sorry but it was one of the best Big Brother moments ever, it was hilarious and confusing.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

was this an all time great moment in BB history or an all time low?

It was a sad time when the great david bowie passed. An incredible guy, a phenomenal artist and unique kind man.

The fact his ex was in the house was probably just a really bizarre concidence. though advertising her grief was imo sick.

However when he passed away and it was told to his ex wife angie in the house, it really was a bizarre moment

To compound the situation she tells tiff david is dead, she gets hysterical thinking david guest is dead...in the most bizarre coincidence david was ill for days under his bed clothes

Ok so far so mad....but it escalates. Tiffany goes mental and when told its the wrong david and in fact its angie's ex husband david bowie that's dead. the problem now is tiffany carries on screaming...9 hours passes of mass hysteria when she finally calms down

ok so weeks later, tiffany is now popular as she shouts endlessly about hos she wants cock and wants to fck Jeremy and Darren and scotty t etc an pervs at scottys penis in the shower etc etc

so tonight she had another chance to clarify what happened..asked a pretty simple question, why when you knew it was david bowie and not david guest who died , why didn't you then show some sympathy?

toffanys answer

"umm maybe I just didn't care!"

Incredible. Do we forgive her and laugh it off as simply a mad spur of the moment thing? or after 9 hours of screaming and 2 weeks later all she has to say about the incident is she didn't care? does this point to a deeper rooted rottenness at the heart of tiffany?

I recall when Michael Jackson died and the house got told, it was all far more respectful from near all.

I do think this is one of the worst times in a BB series,so I agree with your post.
It was bad enough losing a great star like Bowie but to see the house descend into farce the way it did was for me really hard to watch.
It all came across as really bad, unnecessary and disrespectful.

All the housemates should have been told at the same time by BB and it would have been fitting to play a Bowie track in respect to him too.
That's how I'd have played it out, not use it for some extremely cheap and gutter like so called entertainment.

With panellists, audience and Rylan howling with laughter at the event while totally discarding the fact a great star had died after an 18 month battle with cancer.
A really awful and very uncomfortable thing for me to watch was all of it in the end.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm sorry but it was one of the best Big Brother moments ever, it was hilarious and confusing.

Oh I agree....best thing ever...certainly one of Angies finer moments....but Tiffany did not come out of it that looking good,,.....no way....at the time it was shocking to here her call Angie a f-ckin old bitch, when Angie was still processing the sad news....it was also very inappropriate to continue to behave so aggressively once the others had explained the error she had made....

Her reaction to the initial news was understandable because she believed someone had died and in that moment she was in shock just the same as Angie and as such needed support not isolation....but it doesn't alter the fact that she was still stupid to believe it....I doubt, had it been any if the others, that they would have done that.

[hot2go]

I am a huge Bowie fan....David Bowie, Debbie Harry, my top two music heroes .....I was extremely sad about him dying ...but I absolutely loved the story that unfolded in the house and I imagine if he was watching he would have laughed harder than anyone else. ...I celebrate Tiffanys stupidity because it played no small part in what unfolded....but it DID say things about her personality that I have struggled to get past since....and each time I've come around to her a bit more, and seen some of her better qualities, she goes and behaves aggressively again and kills it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I am a huge Bowie fan....David Bowie, Debbie Harry, my top two music heroes .....I was extremely sad about him dying ...but I absolutely loved the story that unfolded in the house and I imagine if he was watching he would have laughed harder than anyone else. ...I celebrate Tiffanys stupidity because it played no small part in what unfolded....but it DID say things about her personality that I have struggled to get past since....and each time I've come around to her a bit more, and seen some of her better qualities, she goes and behaves aggressively again and kills it.

I think it's a defense mechanism, yeah she should have sympathised with Angie and not ranted like that but I think by that stage she was feeling attacked by the other HMs and went into full on protective mode for herself.

And I agree i think David Bowie would have found the bizarre scenario hilarious too

[ThriceShy]

It was just a perfect little english farce. Like an episode of fawlty towers. It has to be in the top 3 highlights shows of all time.

[Babayaro.]

It was funny even though it should never have been. Tiffany saying last night that she didn't care was pretty horrible though

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

It was funny even though it should never have been. Tiffany saying last night that she didn't care was pretty horrible though

I think that was more about the person asking the question and her attitude towards Tiffany than the Angie situation though

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think it's a defense mechanism, yeah she should have sympathised with Angie and not ranted like that but I think by that stage she was feeling attacked by the other HMs and went into full on protective mode for herself.

And I agree i think David Bowie would have found the bizarre scenario hilarious too

I agree with you there....it was her truth in that moment and BB and the others should have rallied round just like they did with Angie....but when they didn't and she went understandably out of control, someone had to put themselves between Angie and that threat of danger...I genuinely felt sorry for John because he and David had promised Angie and BB they would take care of her and keep things calm ...then David took to his bed and poor John was placed alone in that position that he never asked to be in....the others, all of them, were cowards for not defending him against Megan....
I honestly did see Tiffanys side of the story even if I didn't like her reaction and I have tried hard to come round to her...but she makes that very hard to do....and what she said again last night just fans the flames for many people...
I take her down, cause as you know, I want Steph to win...but like I've said before I don't mind who wins tonight as long is wasn't Gemma....I'm sure you know there are no hard feelings here Niamh and I have just phoned up and placed a vote on your behalf as I promised I would be...good luck with tonight to all of us.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I agree with you there....it was her truth in that moment and BB and the others should have rallied round just like they did with Angie....but when they didn't and she went understandably out of control, someone had to put themselves between Angie and that threat of danger...I genuinely felt sorry for John because he and David had promised Angie and BB they would take care of her and keep things calm ...then David took to his bed and poor John was placed alone in that position that he never asked to be in....the others, all of them, were cowards for not defending him against Megan....
I honestly did see Tiffanys side of the story even if I didn't like her reaction and I have tried hard to come round to her...but she makes that very hard to do....and what she said again last night just fans the flames for many people...
I take her down, cause as you know, I want Steph to win...but like I've said before I don't mind who wins tonight as long is wasn't Gemma....I'm sure you know there are no hard feelings here Niamh and I have just phoned up and placed a vote on your behalf as I promised I would be...good luck with tonight to all of us.

aww thanks

I'm happy with the finalists tbh and really just that Tiffany made the finals is a good result I think

[reece(:]

It was hilarious and will go down in historih.