[Alf]

Sargon knows

Youtube video

[Black Dagger]

Depressing, as is the comments section.

[Withano]

Guy in the video is irritating af so couldnt make it past 2:03
But tories will win because they appeal to the chavs, as well as the rich now. Its a strange combo, and it was never their plan, but it works for them. Most constituencies have lots of wealthy and/or chavs so theyll clean up, and we'll sit through 5 years of gross policies

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

Guy in the video is irritating af so couldnt make it past 2:03
But tories will win because they appeal to the chavs, as well as the rich now. Its a strange combo, and it was never their plan, but it works for them. Most constituencies have lots of wealthy and/or chavs so theyll clean up, and we'll sit through 5 years of gross policies

Those pesky chavs.

Who are the chavs by the way?


I bet I find Owen Jones more irritating than you find Sargon of Akkad irritating.

But if I was going to judge and criticise Owen Jones, then first I'd listen to what he had to say.

The beef is late on in the video, so if you only had the patients for 2.03, then the only person you're cheating, is yourself or deep down you're just not really interested, but have always got an opinion.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

Those pesky chavs.

Who are the chavs by the way?


I bet I find Owen Jones more irritating than you find Sargon of Akkad irritating.

But if I was going to judge and criticise Owen Jones, then first I'd listen to what he had to say.

The beef is late on in the video, so if you only had the patients for 2.03, then the only person you're cheating, is yourself or deep down you're just not really interested, but have always got an opinion.

I was replying to the thread title, thought it made a good open-ended question. I was uninterested in the OP, correct. Its an 18 minute video which largely features an arrogant wannabe who clearly loves the sound of his own voice.

The Youtube comments are a good example of the chavs that the tories now appeal to. Their fanbase wasnt half this chavvy 2 years ago, its a pattern I've picked up on.. and in my opinion, is one of the reasons that will lead the tories to win the election. Their fanbase has expanded to new areas.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

I was replying to the thread title, thought it made a good open-ended question. I was uninterested in the OP, correct. Its an 18 minute video which largely features an arrogant wannabe who clearly loves the sound of his own voice.

The Youtube comments are a good example of the chavs that the tories now appeal to. Their fanbase wasnt half this chavvy 2 years ago, its a pattern I've picked up on.. and in my opinion, is one of the reasons that will lead the tories to win the election. Their fanbase has expanded to new areas.

I'm a chav, you're an establishment storm-trooper, spreading the establishment gospel.

You keep on looking down on and labelling the working class people, if that's what makes you happy.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

I'm a chav, you're an establishment storm-trooper, spreading the establishment gospel.

You keep on looking down on and labelling the working class people, if that's what makes you happy.

You're the only one making a link between chavs and the working class
To clarify; I dont think all working class are chavs, nor do I think all chavs are working class

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by Alf

Who are the chavs by the way?

there's me...................i'm pretty apathetic about the forthcoming election

...............won't even get any decent odds on the result

Mark L

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Guy in the video is irritating af so couldnt make it past 2:03
But tories will win because they appeal to the chavs, as well as the rich now. Its a strange combo, and it was never their plan, but it works for them. Most constituencies have lots of wealthy and/or chavs so theyll clean up, and we'll sit through 5 years of gross policies

What is a 'chav' and what's the problem with them?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Withano

Guy in the video is irritating af so couldnt make it past 2:03
But tories will win because they appeal to the chavs, as well as the rich now. Its a strange combo, and it was never their plan, but it works for them. Most constituencies have lots of wealthy and/or chavs so theyll clean up, and we'll sit through 5 years of gross policies

Or maybe they appeal to people who don't mind a bit of hard graft and want the best for the country,what is it with the hate for people who have money that they have grafted for?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Or maybe they appeal to people who don't mind a bit of hard graft and want the best for the country,what is it with the hate for people who have money that they have grafted for?

I don't mind hard graft and am happy to pay all my taxes and work darn hard and sometimes long hours too.
I'd never support this set of Conservative representatives because,while I am happy to do hard work.
I hate with a passion all that's been done and what I've come across, as the heartless robbing from the sick and disabled by this govt.

Where sick and disabled,incurable and terminally I'll have had to go to court to win back benefits wrongly taken off them or denied them
You may admired that as strong govt,I certainly don't.

They will pay multi millions to a French and American company to assess the UKs sick and disabled with the view of forcing people who cannot at this time work,or reduce the benefits they should be getting.

Saving a pittance in reality and then likely nothing at all when taxpayer funded court appeals are heard and won,which the vast majority are.

A rotten govt that demonstrates how rotten it is by how it treats the weakest,sick and disabled in its society.
It fills me with solid sadness and shame.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't mind hard graft and am happy to pay all my taxes and work darn hard and sometimes long hours too.
I'd never support this set of Conservative representatives because,while I am happy to do hard work.
I hate with a passion all that's been done and what I've come across, as the heartless robbing from the sick and disabled by this govt.

Where sick and disabled,incurable and terminally I'll have had to go to court to win back benefits wrongly taken off them or denied them
You may admired that as strong govt,I certainly don't.

They will pay multi millions to a French and American company to assess the UKs sick and disabled with the view of forcing people who cannot at this time work,or reduce the benefits they should be getting.

Saving a pittance in reality and then likely nothing at all when taxpayer funded court appeals are heard and won,which the vast majority are.

A rotten govt that demonstrates how rotten it is by how it treats the weakest,sick and disabled in its society.
It fills me with solid sadness and shame.

Hi Joey,I really don't think it's that bad,maybe we have just had different experiences,I know disabled people ,my mom looked after one until he passed away in October, he was always treated well and helped as much as he needed it,the only thing that was lacking was the pittance mom was given for looking after him,but she was ok with it as it wasn't about money for her, so I can only go on my experiences and at the moment Labour hold nothing enticing for me ,My nan is also a pensioner,she gets basic state pension,but manages fine on it,it depends what you want out of life and how you spend your money I think,she gets help with her fuel bills in the winter and most companies will do payment plans to accommodate her. I understand you may have not had good experiences from them,but at least you didn't stoop so low to call me a 'chav' I thank you for thatOh and btw,IF the Tories ever bring back fox hunting,I will be a none voter.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I know disabled people ,my mom looked after one until he passed away in October, he was always treated well and helped as much as he needed it

Oh this changes everything! Your mum "looked after one". I didn't realise that you had a family member who had cared for "one of those". You probably know all about it, then. I for one will be much more comfortable deferring to your extensive knowledge and experience of "those" from now on.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Hi Joey,I really don't think it's that bad,maybe we have just had different experiences,I know disabled people ,my mom looked after one until he passed away in October, he was always treated well and helped as much as he needed it,the only thing that was lacking was the pittance mom was given for looking after him,but she was ok with it as it wasn't about money for her, so I can only go on my experiences and at the moment Labour hold nothing enticing for me ,My nan is also a pensioner,she gets basic state pension,but manages fine on it,it depends what you want out of life and how you spend your money I think,she gets help with her fuel bills in the winter and most companies will do payment plans to accommodate her. I understand you may have not had good experiences from them,but at least you didn't stoop so low to call me a 'chav' I thank you for thatOh and btw,IF the Tories ever bring back fox hunting,I will be a none voter.

It is that bad Kazanne.

I've seen people,plural,needing dialysis and with only limited time left to live
With several other major health issues,wheeled into court after being put in wrag group rather than support group.
Who have had benefits cut when being forced to apply for pip from dla.

The DWP rejecting a change to their decisions, govt doing nothing at all about it.
Then again it's govt guidelines that cause the problem.

So into court they have to go and all that time and added extra stress piled on them
Where in fact the last estimate is that two thirds of court appeals are won in full.

Any govt presiding over that for me deserves contempt and derision not admiration.

As to foxhunting,she will bring it back if she gets a bigger majority.
She will,I predict,likely make it a freevote on the issue but the intake of extreme Con MPs, who want this back,will ensure it is, with their bgger overall majority and therefore the numbers increased of Con MPs

Just more to have contempt for their thinking for and Theresa May is a strong supporter of bringing such barbaric hunting back too.
Too late to change it again once it is voted back for sure.

It will happen.
They could not get it back in the Coalition,the Lib Dems against it and Labour etc:

This 12 majority is also not enough to win a hunting back vote with certainty.
A bigger majority will ensure it this time though.
I'd never myself support that or even risk it coming about.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh and btw,IF the Tories ever bring back fox hunting,I will be a none voter.

May is all for re-introducing the vile 'pastime' of fox hunting and there's a very good chance that it'll happen once the election is out of the way.

So, if you needed any more, there's yet another fantastic reason to not vote Conservative (there's many more even worse reasons).

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Or maybe they appeal to people who don't mind a bit of hard graft and want the best for the country

I think this describes most people in Britain, not just tory voters

[Withano]

Originally Posted by the truth

you just generalized that tory voters are either rich or chavs...no doubt will do a dianne abbot next and call them all racists too lol

I suggested that they appeal to both of these populations, and that they didnt two years ago. You're getting your knickers in a twist, sis. You're assuming that I used rich and chav as insults, I just didnt think to rephrase my words for the PC brigade. Read into them however you want.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

but at least you didn't stoop so low to call me a 'chav' I thank you for thatOh and btw,IF the Tories ever bring back fox hunting,I will be a none voter.

Originally Posted by Withano

I suggested that they appeal to both of these populations, and that they didnt two years ago.

I have no idea if you're a chav or not and I certainly didnt say that you were.
Chavs exist, and I didnt use it as an insult.. you're presumed its an insult and you denounced an entire sub-culture of Britain which was a bit rude
I dont believe chavs would have voted for tories 2 years ago, but I have seen their fanbase get chavvier, thus tories have expanded their fanbase to at least one new area, there may be others - as Alf mentioned, they're also getting the backing of brexiteers
Feel free to contribute to the thread with your own ideas instead of putting down others

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Withano

I have no idea if you're a chav or not and I certainly didnt say that you were.
Chavs exist, and I didnt use it as an insult.. you're presumed its an insult and you denounced an entire sub-culture of Britain which was a bit rude
I dont believe chavs would have voted for tories 2 years ago, but I have seen their fanbase get chavvier, thus tories have expanded their fanbase to at least one new area, there may be others - as Alf mentioned, they're also getting the backing of brexiteers
Feel free to contribute to the thread with your own ideas instead of putting down others

I never mentioned you in my post

[Cherie]

Sadly you are right Alf this vote is all about Brexit, I just hope the Torys won't get a massive majority although it looks like barring a miracle they will, not sure I will vote, shame there isn't a vote for none of these awful leaders like they do in France

[Northern Monkey]

After watching a few of Corbyns interviews I sometimes get the impression that he's deliberately trying to lose.Dodging questions on national security,Brexit and immigration is not going to instill confidence from the GBP.Especially not in this election.

[Alf]

I've never voted for any of the main two party's. Neither of them represent me.

But this election is about who is best to negotiate us out of the a EU, and the Tories are the only one to vote for. It's as simple as that.

UKIP have achieved what they wanted to do, but they're now finished. So sadly, it has to be the Tories.

[Withano]

Why did you kick up a fuss over me saying this

Originally Posted by Withano

But tories will win because they appeal to the chavs now,

When you have said this

Originally Posted by Alf

I'm a chav.

And this

Originally Posted by Alf

I've never voted for any of the main two party's.

But this election is about who is best to negotiate us out of the a EU, and the Tories are the only one to vote for. It's as simple as that.
.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

Why did you kick up a fuss over me saying this



When you have said this



And this

I don't understand what your question is.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

I don't understand what your question is.

I'm asking why you argued against the point I made when you literally describe yourself, and your poitical values, in a way that would suggest my point is correct.