[Alf]

Sargon knows

Youtube video

[Black Dagger]

Depressing, as is the comments section.

[Withano]

Guy in the video is irritating af so couldnt make it past 2:03
But tories will win because they appeal to the chavs, as well as the rich now. Its a strange combo, and it was never their plan, but it works for them. Most constituencies have lots of wealthy and/or chavs so theyll clean up, and we'll sit through 5 years of gross policies

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

Guy in the video is irritating af so couldnt make it past 2:03
But tories will win because they appeal to the chavs, as well as the rich now. Its a strange combo, and it was never their plan, but it works for them. Most constituencies have lots of wealthy and/or chavs so theyll clean up, and we'll sit through 5 years of gross policies

Those pesky chavs.

Who are the chavs by the way?


I bet I find Owen Jones more irritating than you find Sargon of Akkad irritating.

But if I was going to judge and criticise Owen Jones, then first I'd listen to what he had to say.

The beef is late on in the video, so if you only had the patients for 2.03, then the only person you're cheating, is yourself or deep down you're just not really interested, but have always got an opinion.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

Those pesky chavs.

Who are the chavs by the way?


I bet I find Owen Jones more irritating than you find Sargon of Akkad irritating.

But if I was going to judge and criticise Owen Jones, then first I'd listen to what he had to say.

The beef is late on in the video, so if you only had the patients for 2.03, then the only person you're cheating, is yourself or deep down you're just not really interested, but have always got an opinion.

I was replying to the thread title, thought it made a good open-ended question. I was uninterested in the OP, correct. Its an 18 minute video which largely features an arrogant wannabe who clearly loves the sound of his own voice.

The Youtube comments are a good example of the chavs that the tories now appeal to. Their fanbase wasnt half this chavvy 2 years ago, its a pattern I've picked up on.. and in my opinion, is one of the reasons that will lead the tories to win the election. Their fanbase has expanded to new areas.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

I was replying to the thread title, thought it made a good open-ended question. I was uninterested in the OP, correct. Its an 18 minute video which largely features an arrogant wannabe who clearly loves the sound of his own voice.

The Youtube comments are a good example of the chavs that the tories now appeal to. Their fanbase wasnt half this chavvy 2 years ago, its a pattern I've picked up on.. and in my opinion, is one of the reasons that will lead the tories to win the election. Their fanbase has expanded to new areas.

I'm a chav, you're an establishment storm-trooper, spreading the establishment gospel.

You keep on looking down on and labelling the working class people, if that's what makes you happy.

[Northern Monkey]

After watching a few of Corbyns interviews I sometimes get the impression that he's deliberately trying to lose.Dodging questions on national security,Brexit and immigration is not going to instill confidence from the GBP.Especially not in this election.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

I'm a chav, you're an establishment storm-trooper, spreading the establishment gospel.

You keep on looking down on and labelling the working class people, if that's what makes you happy.

You're the only one making a link between chavs and the working class
To clarify; I dont think all working class are chavs, nor do I think all chavs are working class

[Alf]

I've never voted for any of the main two party's. Neither of them represent me.

But this election is about who is best to negotiate us out of the a EU, and the Tories are the only one to vote for. It's as simple as that.

UKIP have achieved what they wanted to do, but they're now finished. So sadly, it has to be the Tories.

[Withano]

Why did you kick up a fuss over me saying this

Originally Posted by Withano

But tories will win because they appeal to the chavs now,

When you have said this

Originally Posted by Alf

I'm a chav.

And this

Originally Posted by Alf

I've never voted for any of the main two party's.

But this election is about who is best to negotiate us out of the a EU, and the Tories are the only one to vote for. It's as simple as that.
.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

Why did you kick up a fuss over me saying this



When you have said this



And this

I don't understand what your question is.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Guy in the video is irritating af so couldnt make it past 2:03
But tories will win because they appeal to the chavs, as well as the rich now. Its a strange combo, and it was never their plan, but it works for them. Most constituencies have lots of wealthy and/or chavs so theyll clean up, and we'll sit through 5 years of gross policies

What is a 'chav' and what's the problem with them?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

I don't understand what your question is.

I'm asking why you argued against the point I made when you literally describe yourself, and your poitical values, in a way that would suggest my point is correct.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

I'm asking why you argued against the point I made when you literally describe yourself, and your poitical values, in a way that would suggest my point is correct.

Well at the moment, the Tories are the only ones that are appealing to me, so I presumed I was one of these chavs? So I sarcastically called myself a chav, because that is what you labelled people like me.

I have no idea whether that answers your question or not, I've had a few beers, and this conversation is confusing me, I don't even know if we're talking on the same lines here.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

Well at the moment, the Tories are the only ones that are appealing to me, so I presumed I was one of these chavs? So I sarcastically called myself a chav, because that is what you labelled people like me.

I have no idea whether that answers your question or not, I've had a few beers, and this conversation is confusing me, I don't even know if we're talking on the same lines here.

No, thats fair enough. I get ya, I didn't read the sarcasm, I thought you actually did identify as chavvy. Which is why I was confused at you perfectly proving my point.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by the truth

you just generalized that tory voters are either rich or chavs...no doubt will do a dianne abbot next and call them all racists too lol

I suggested that they appeal to both of these populations, and that they didnt two years ago. You're getting your knickers in a twist, sis. You're assuming that I used rich and chav as insults, I just didnt think to rephrase my words for the PC brigade. Read into them however you want.

[Cherie]

Sadly you are right Alf this vote is all about Brexit, I just hope the Torys won't get a massive majority although it looks like barring a miracle they will, not sure I will vote, shame there isn't a vote for none of these awful leaders like they do in France

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Withano

Guy in the video is irritating af so couldnt make it past 2:03
But tories will win because they appeal to the chavs, as well as the rich now. Its a strange combo, and it was never their plan, but it works for them. Most constituencies have lots of wealthy and/or chavs so theyll clean up, and we'll sit through 5 years of gross policies

Or maybe they appeal to people who don't mind a bit of hard graft and want the best for the country,what is it with the hate for people who have money that they have grafted for?

[user104658]

The reason the Tories currently appeal to certain more chavvy characters these days, I'm convinced, is simply because of their perceived popularity. Like a self fulfilling prophecy. There are many who, basically, just "like to win". Like to be able to say they are on, or are supporting, the "winning side" regardless of who or what that happens to be. So they will identify the group that they feel certain will win, and throw their support behind that group, just so that they can say "yyaaassss we won you lost we won!" at the end of it all.

I believe in football terms they call these people "glory hunters". People who suddenly declare their undying support for whichever team happens to be at the top of the league that year.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

Well at the moment, the Tories are the only ones that are appealing to me, so I presumed I was one of these chavs? So I sarcastically called myself a chav, because that is what you labelled people like me.

I have no idea whether that answers your question or not, I've had a few beers, and this conversation is confusing me, I don't even know if we're talking on the same lines here.

Better a chav ,Alf than a lazy slob who is workshy and wants everything for nothing and giving nothing back.

[jaxie]

Once again lots of labelling and stereotyping going on most particularly from those who try to claim the moral high ground of the left. Do people even realize how much they are doing this? Or that using derogatory terms like chav is just as bad as using derogatory racist or sexist terms?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The reason the Tories currently appeal to certain more chavvy characters these days, I'm convinced, is simply because of their perceived popularity. Like a self fulfilling prophecy. There are many who, basically, just "like to win". Like to be able to say they are on, or are supporting, the "winning side" regardless of who or what that happens to be. So they will identify the group that they feel certain will win, and throw their support behind that group, just so that they can say "yyaaassss we won you lost we won!" at the end of it all.

I believe in football terms they call these people "glory hunters". People who suddenly declare their undying support for whichever team happens to be at the top of the league that year.

Well I suppose if it makes the losers feel better ,lol, the Tories appeal to me at the moment as they are the only party with some realistic policies and people with a bit of nouse,all the others seem a bit brain dead, and their followers seem to get annoyed easily and then start name calling,knock yourselves out

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Once again lots of labelling and stereotyping going on most particularly from those who try to claim the moral high ground of the left. Do people even realize how much they are doing this? Or that using derogatory terms like chav is just as bad as using derogatory racist or sexist terms?

[RichardG]

I didn't realise people still used the word chav

Very 2010

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Or maybe they appeal to people who don't mind a bit of hard graft and want the best for the country,what is it with the hate for people who have money that they have grafted for?

I don't mind hard graft and am happy to pay all my taxes and work darn hard and sometimes long hours too.
I'd never support this set of Conservative representatives because,while I am happy to do hard work.
I hate with a passion all that's been done and what I've come across, as the heartless robbing from the sick and disabled by this govt.

Where sick and disabled,incurable and terminally I'll have had to go to court to win back benefits wrongly taken off them or denied them
You may admired that as strong govt,I certainly don't.

They will pay multi millions to a French and American company to assess the UKs sick and disabled with the view of forcing people who cannot at this time work,or reduce the benefits they should be getting.

Saving a pittance in reality and then likely nothing at all when taxpayer funded court appeals are heard and won,which the vast majority are.

A rotten govt that demonstrates how rotten it is by how it treats the weakest,sick and disabled in its society.
It fills me with solid sadness and shame.