[Scarlett.]

Then why is the government slowly farming out the NHS, police and other national services to multinational companies like G4S and healthcare companies in America? Surely if we want to take back control we shouldn't be selling our country wholesale?

[Mystic Mock]

It's the Tory way Chewy, and right wing politics in general, all about the short term and it ends up selling the country down the river as we own nothing.

[jaxie]

The EU is strongly in favour of privatisation so your point is rather doubtful OP. It astounds me sometimes how little those supporting the EU actually know about it.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The EU is strongly in favour of privatisation so your point is rather doubtful OP. It astounds me sometimes how little those supporting the EU actually know about it.

Why then, when the EU gave every member a choice to opt out of selling off their medical assets, did every country except us opt out?

Not a lot of people know this.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Why then, when the EU gave every member a choice to opt out of selling off their medical assets, did every country except us opt out?

Not a lot of people know this.

I've not seen any evidence of that and would need a lot more information before forming an opinion but I would imagine it had something to do with whoever was in power at the time and what the medical assets involved were and what they had in mind at the time. The Tories will never privatise the NHS as a whole, they wouldn't dare as it would be political suicide and they know it. Though you could argue elements of the NHS have been in private hands since the early 80s. Though opting out of any EU plan is rather a moot point since we are leaving.

The EU is in favour of privitisation, your reply doesn't really have much bearing on my actual response as it's not in the same context and just really an anti Tory point scoring which as a non Tory I couldn't really care less about. As someone who stated they voted for Brexit your defence of the EU is surprisingly inconsistent.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I've not seen any evidence of that and would need a lot more information before forming an opinion but I would imagine it had something to do with whoever was in power at the time and what the medical assets involved were and what they had in mind at the time. The Tories will never privatise the NHS as a whole, they wouldn't dare as it would be political suicide and they know it. Though you could argue elements of the NHS have been in private hands since the early 80s. Though opting out of any EU plan is rather a moot point since we are leaving.

Never underestimate how willing the voting public are to go against themselves out of spite for immigrants, the EU and people on benefits.

Mention any of those three and a large section of the voting public will vote for you and forgive you regardless of what you do. buzzwords matter more to most voters then actual policies.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Never underestimate how willing the voting public are to go against themselves out of spite for immigrants, the EU and people on benefits.

Mention any of those three and a large section of the voting public will vote for you and forgive you regardless of what you do. buzzwords matter more to most voters then actual policies.

Spite for immigrants is largely an illusion being thrown about every time anyone dares to say maybe we should look at who comes to the UK, look at their skills and maybe try to have a fairer system. Of course there are spiteful people but the narrow minded rhetoric about those who voted leave is ridiculous and offensive, and pretty much as bad as what you are accusing the people who voted leave of doing on mass. There were many reasons beyond immigration to vote to leave.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The EU is strongly in favour of privatisation so your point is rather doubtful OP. It astounds me sometimes how little those supporting the EU actually know about it.

We are not discussing the EU.... The EU had nothing to do with the OPs query :/

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We are not discussing the EU.... The EU had nothing to do with the OPs query :/

The OP is about Brexit, Brexit is about leaving the EU.

[Scarlett.]

The thread isnt arguing for or against Brexit, Brexit is happening now, so, there's no point debating that. I'm talking about the fact that the government wants to keep selling off parts of this country when they claim to be 'taking back control'.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The OP is about Brexit, Brexit is about leaving the EU.

It is noting to do with brexit... brexit is done, finished.

We are a stand alone country, as Chewy rightly says why then must our govt insist on it's reliance on foreign investors and/ or countries?
How could that be considered 'sovereign', is it not exactly how we would function if we were still part of the EU and having to abide by EU free trade rules?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Spite for immigrants is largely an illusion being thrown about every time anyone dares to say maybe we should look at who comes to the UK, look at their skills and maybe try to have a fairer system. Of course there are spiteful people but the narrow minded rhetoric about those who voted leave is ridiculous and offensive, and pretty much as bad as what you are accusing the people who voted leave of doing on mass. There were many reasons beyond immigration to vote to leave.

A naive outlook.

Also when did I mention anything about the leave camp? People in general are spiteful and vote without context for their actions, it's why newspaper headlines, buzz words and catchphrases have more sway with the public than actual policies. May isn't saying 'Strong and Stable' at every opportunity for the sake of it, she's saying it because people buy into that ****.

The vast majority of voters are uninformed, that much is apparent just by looking at the major influences when it comes to voting.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Then why is the government slowly farming out the NHS, police and other national services to multinational companies like G4S and healthcare companies in America? Surely if we want to take back control we shouldn't be selling our country wholesale?

good points....lets have brexit in the hands of corbyn

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

A naive outlook.

Also when did I mention anything about the leave camp? People in general are spiteful and vote without context for their actions, it's why newspaper headlines, buzz words and catchphrases have more sway with the public than actual policies. May isn't saying 'Strong and Stable' at every opportunity for the sake of it, she's saying it because people buy into that ****.

The vast majority of voters are uninformed, that much is apparent just by looking at the major influences when it comes to voting.

It's incredibly arrogant to assume the voting public are uninformed.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It's incredibly arrogant to assume the voting public are uninformed.

I've read it all over Social Media, and with some of my own friends and family, alot of them were voting out of the EU because of things that weren't to do with the EU.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I've read it all over Social Media, and with some of my own friends and family, alot of them were voting out of the EU because of things that weren't to do with the EU.

But you don't know 17 million people do you Mock?

[Denver]

Screaming that people think the EU is a good place when Merkel wants to turn it into N Korea

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jaxie

But you don't know 17 million people do you Mock?

No and I've never claimed to.

But if I've noticed some who were uninformed, then I'm sure that other people have aswell, and it makes you wonder what the total number of people that were uninformed actually was for the Brexit side if you put all of the posts into a tally.

Tbf to Brexit I don't think that all of the Remainers were informed either, I certainly don't know everything about running a country's Economy and I doubt that most regular people do, that's why I feel that the Government/Media did a poor job at explaining what the EU is about to people, and the pros and cons of leaving the EU, and the pros and cons in staying in the EU. But instead we all had to go with our gut on the basic information that we all know about the EU.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

No and I've never claimed to.

But if I've noticed some who were uninformed, then I'm sure that other people have aswell, and it makes you wonder what the total number of people that were uninformed actually was for the Brexit side if you put all of the posts into a tally.

Tbf to Brexit I don't think that all of the Remainers were informed either, I certainly don't know everything about running a country's Economy and I doubt that most regular people do, that's why I feel that the Government/Media did a poor job at explaining what the EU is about to people, and the pros and cons of leaving the EU, and the pros and cons in staying in the EU. But instead we all had to go with our gut on the basic information that we all know about the EU.

And you could say exactly the same thing as the part in bold about anyone who voted to remain, as you mention underneath. It's just that people say it a lot more frequently about those who voted to leave and yet we can't possibly know whether there was even a reason that inspired the majority. We can't know if people went with their gut either. I can say that I'd probably have voted leave regardless of anything else after Maastricht and Lisbon treaties. I have no idea why everyone voted but I expect that were plenty of others like me who didn't share the EU ideology and didn't want it.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It's incredibly arrogant to assume the voting public are uninformed.

It's wilful ignorance to believe they aren't just because votes go the way you want them to.

The voting public is largely uninformed, this is pretty much a fact. You only have to look at the tactics of the winning sides of most recent elections to see this. You can scream that I'm arrogant until your throat is raw and it won't change the fact that I'm right.

Simple buzzwords, headlines, mottos and other frivolous bull**** are what wins hearts and minds in an election. To fool yourself into believing otherwise is just silly.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It is noting to do with brexit... brexit is done, finished.

We are a stand alone country, as Chewy rightly says why then must our govt insist on it's reliance on foreign investors and/ or countries?
How could that be considered 'sovereign', is it not exactly how we would function if we were still part of the EU and having to abide by EU free trade rules?

I very much doubt we will be 'standing alone' for long.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I very much doubt we will be 'standing alone' for long.

What has this to do with the OP?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What has this to do with the OP?

People still seem to be under the illusion the NHS will be in safe hands with the EU. It won't. If worried about one they should be worried about both.

[Scarlett.]

Well it's too late to worry what the EU would do with the NHS anyway. It's not to late to worry what the current government is doing though.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

People still seem to be under the illusion the NHS will be in safe hands with the EU. It won't. If worried about one they should be worried about both.

Can you try to answer the concerns of the OP without twisting the debate to suit your agenda?