[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

A naive outlook.

Also when did I mention anything about the leave camp? People in general are spiteful and vote without context for their actions, it's why newspaper headlines, buzz words and catchphrases have more sway with the public than actual policies. May isn't saying 'Strong and Stable' at every opportunity for the sake of it, she's saying it because people buy into that ****.

The vast majority of voters are uninformed, that much is apparent just by looking at the major influences when it comes to voting.

It's incredibly arrogant to assume the voting public are uninformed.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It's incredibly arrogant to assume the voting public are uninformed.

I've read it all over Social Media, and with some of my own friends and family, alot of them were voting out of the EU because of things that weren't to do with the EU.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I've read it all over Social Media, and with some of my own friends and family, alot of them were voting out of the EU because of things that weren't to do with the EU.

But you don't know 17 million people do you Mock?

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by jaxie

But you don't know 17 million people do you Mock?

No and I've never claimed to.

But if I've noticed some who were uninformed, then I'm sure that other people have aswell, and it makes you wonder what the total number of people that were uninformed actually was for the Brexit side if you put all of the posts into a tally.

Tbf to Brexit I don't think that all of the Remainers were informed either, I certainly don't know everything about running a country's Economy and I doubt that most regular people do, that's why I feel that the Government/Media did a poor job at explaining what the EU is about to people, and the pros and cons of leaving the EU, and the pros and cons in staying in the EU. But instead we all had to go with our gut on the basic information that we all know about the EU.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

No and I've never claimed to.

But if I've noticed some who were uninformed, then I'm sure that other people have aswell, and it makes you wonder what the total number of people that were uninformed actually was for the Brexit side if you put all of the posts into a tally.

Tbf to Brexit I don't think that all of the Remainers were informed either, I certainly don't know everything about running a country's Economy and I doubt that most regular people do, that's why I feel that the Government/Media did a poor job at explaining what the EU is about to people, and the pros and cons of leaving the EU, and the pros and cons in staying in the EU. But instead we all had to go with our gut on the basic information that we all know about the EU.

And you could say exactly the same thing as the part in bold about anyone who voted to remain, as you mention underneath. It's just that people say it a lot more frequently about those who voted to leave and yet we can't possibly know whether there was even a reason that inspired the majority. We can't know if people went with their gut either. I can say that I'd probably have voted leave regardless of anything else after Maastricht and Lisbon treaties. I have no idea why everyone voted but I expect that were plenty of others like me who didn't share the EU ideology and didn't want it.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It's incredibly arrogant to assume the voting public are uninformed.

It's wilful ignorance to believe they aren't just because votes go the way you want them to.

The voting public is largely uninformed, this is pretty much a fact. You only have to look at the tactics of the winning sides of most recent elections to see this. You can scream that I'm arrogant until your throat is raw and it won't change the fact that I'm right.

Simple buzzwords, headlines, mottos and other frivolous bull**** are what wins hearts and minds in an election. To fool yourself into believing otherwise is just silly.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's wilful ignorance to believe they aren't just because votes go the way you want them to.

The voting public is largely uninformed, this is pretty much a fact. You only have to look at the tactics of the winning sides of most recent elections to see this. You can scream that I'm arrogant until your throat is raw and it won't change the fact that I'm right.

Simple buzzwords, headlines, mottos and other frivolous bull**** are what wins hearts and minds in an election. To fool yourself into believing otherwise is just silly.

You keep up with the name calling as usual. I'll just try not to join in. When you say the voting public are uninformed I'll presume you are speaking personally about yourself. I can't imagine you'd believe yourself more informed than everyone else.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

You keep up with the name calling as usual. I'll just try not to join in. When you say the voting public are uninformed I'll presume you are speaking personally about yourself. I can't imagine you'd believe yourself more informed than everyone else.

Hmm.

Originally Posted by jaxie

It's incredibly arrogant to assume the voting public are uninformed.

If you've got nothing to add but hypocritical attacks on my character then our little discussion is over. I've stated why the public are uninformed and you have provided nothing but indignation. If you have a problem with what I'm saying then prove me wrong, don't try to invalidate opinions you dislike but can't disprove by acting like it's a personal attack.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Hmm.



If you've got nothing to add but hypocritical attacks on my character then our little discussion is over. I've stated why the public are uninformed and you have provided nothing but indignation. If you have a problem with what I'm saying then prove me wrong, don't try to invalidate opinions you dislike but can't disprove by acting like it's a personal attack.

I'm not going to be petty and quote your frequent name calling. As stated decided to watch you continue alone. It's not upon me to prove wrong statements regarding 65 million people (or thereabouts) being uninformed. It's upon you to stop calling 65 million people names and making judgement calls like you know something. Any other defensive accusations are fantasy.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm not going to be petty and quote your frequent name calling. As stated decided to watch you continue alone. It's not upon me to prove wrong statements regarding 65 million people (or thereabouts) being uninformed. It's upon you to stop calling 65 million people names and making judgement calls like you know something. Any other defensive accusations are fantasy.

Media bias is a thing... It's not name calling to acknowledge that.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Media bias is a thing... It's not name calling to acknowledge that.

What about being called naive, willfully ignorant and silly, and the voting public uninformed?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm not going to be petty and quote your frequent name calling. As stated decided to watch you continue alone. It's not upon me to prove wrong statements regarding 65 million people (or thereabouts) being uninformed. It's upon you to stop calling 65 million people names and making judgement calls like you know something. Any other defensive accusations are fantasy.

So you don't have a counter argument to what I'm saying?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So you don't have a counter argument to what I'm saying?

When you think of something sensible to say that isn't implying everyone who isn't you doesn't know what they are talking about, sure.