[vesavius]

Raph sticks his nose into something involving a HM (Joe) that we all know that they don't get on, and then switches to victim again. Keiren is right, Raph is trying the make himself look like a victim yet again. He is pulling the same instigate and then turn into victim trick that the sisters use as well. It isn't the first time wither. No wonder that they get on. Dishonest snakes, all of them.

I am actually team Joe here, and I don't even particularly like Joe. What a sneaky manipulative **** Raph is. And Andrew is just jumping on his train and feeding him now. Raph's victim moaning and self pitying approach to this is just pathetic, tbh.

And those trying to automatically make out that Joe is 'homophobic' because he doesn't get on with Raph... People need to stop that. There is plenty that is objectionable about Raph past where he likes to rub his junk.