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Kizzy · 02-12-2017, 11:17 PM

They know as is screamingly obvious that this govt has no intention of raising living standards to allow any social mobility.

In a resignation speech from Alan Milburn this was stated..
'“does not seem to have the necessary bandwidth to ensure the rhetoric of healing social division is matched with the reality.'

In other words... she lied. Nothing is right and nothing is fair, she needs to go!

'Theresa May was plunged into a new crisis on Saturday night after the government’s social mobility adviser revealed he and his team were quitting, warning the prime minister was failing over her pledge to build a “fairer Britain”.

In a major blow to No 10, Alan Milburn, the former Labour cabinet minister who chairs the government’s social mobility commission, said he and all three of his fellow commissioners were walking out - including leading conservative Gillian Shephard.'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...y-alan-milburn

Brillopad · 02-12-2017, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

They know as is screamingly obvious that this govt has no intention of raising living standards to allow any social mobility.

In a resignation speech from Alan Milburn this was stated..
'“does not seem to have the necessary bandwidth to ensure the rhetoric of healing social division is matched with the reality.'

In other words... she lied. Nothing is right and nothing is fair, she needs to go!

'Theresa May was plunged into a new crisis on Saturday night after the government’s social mobility adviser revealed he and his team were quitting, warning the prime minister was failing over her pledge to build a “fairer Britain”.

In a major blow to No 10, Alan Milburn, the former Labour cabinet minister who chairs the government’s social mobility commission, said he and all three of his fellow commissioners were walking out - including leading conservative Gillian Shephard.'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...y-alan-milburn

The Guardian giving their usual oh so un-biased slant on the Tories and dressing it up as fact. You have a lot in common.

DemolitionRed · 03-12-2017, 10:10 AM

I think you will find this is a real story Brillo.

The only four key members have resigned, including the Conservative member. I think thats telling enough.

Kizzy · 03-12-2017, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

The Guardian giving their usual oh so un-biased slant on the Tories and dressing it up as fact. You have a lot in common.

Here is sky news is this better?
https://news.sky.com/story/alan-milb...-full-11154497

How about instead of drubbing my views you give yours? That's the point of a debate forum.

Crimson Dynamo · 03-12-2017, 11:44 AM

And people moaned at Brillo

DemolitionRed · 03-12-2017, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

Here is sky news is this better?
https://news.sky.com/story/alan-milb...-full-11154497

How about instead of drubbing my views you give yours? That's the point of a debate forum.

The Guardian, The Sun https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/505260...-tsar-resigns/ the Independent http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8089026.html The Express https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/88...al-mobility-uk and other papers are telling the same story.

The only paper who has changed the story to something unrecognizable is the Daily Mail http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-resigns.html and surprise, surprise, they have blocked anyone from making comments!

jaxie · 04-12-2017, 12:42 AM

This was mentioned on the news today but it was pointed out that this group was at the end of a period of service anyway and were about to be replaced. It sounded more like sour grapes resignations because they were being replaced.

Brillopad · 04-12-2017, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jaxie

This was mentioned on the news today but it was pointed out that this group was at the end of a period of service anyway and were about to be replaced. It sounded more like sour grapes resignations because they were being replaced.

That sounds more like it.

DemolitionRed · 04-12-2017, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jaxie

This was mentioned on the news today but it was pointed out that this group was at the end of a period of service anyway and were about to be replaced. It sounded more like sour grapes resignations because they were being replaced.

All these contracts regularly have to be re-aplied for. That doesn't mean they are being replaced. Its just the way the government works.

Toy Soldier · 04-12-2017, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The only paper who has changed the story to something unrecognizable is the Daily Mail http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-resigns.html and surprise, surprise, they have blocked anyone from making comments!

That article is from 2003...

Tom4784 · 04-12-2017, 11:59 AM

Is anyone surprised? The Tories only pretend to care about anyone outside their own classes when it comes to convincing gullible people to vote against their own interests. They've got their votes from the working class, they don't care about trying to do anything for them until the next election when they'll make more false promises and cover them up with stoking people's hatred by blaming immigrants for everything and promising to curb immigration.

DemolitionRed · 04-12-2017, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Santa

That article is from 2003...

Damn! I just checked the date at the top. looks like the DM said nothing then

DemolitionRed · 04-12-2017, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Is anyone surprised? The Tories only pretend to care about anyone outside their own classes when it comes to convincing gullible people to vote against their own interests. They've got their votes from the working class, they don't care about trying to do anything for them until the next election when they'll make more false promises and cover them up with stoking people's hatred by blaming immigrants for everything and promising to curb immigration.

I've said it before and I'll say it again....

Modern politics and the propaganda surrounding the way the government want us to think is to only think about ourselves and our own needs. If we find others in need we should therefore assume that the situation is their own doing.

Toy Soldier · 04-12-2017, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I've said it before and I'll say it again....

Modern politics and the propaganda surrounding the way the government want us to think is to only think about ourselves and our own needs. If we find others in need we should therefore assume that the situation is their own doing.

This, and I'd say the effect is even more nefarious; people believe this so strongly that when they find THEMSELVES in need, they assume it must be their own doing, down to their own failings, not being good enough, "failing at life". And the resulting damage to confidence and self-esteem just becomes a downwards spiral.

joeysteele · 04-12-2017, 06:17 PM

Justine Greening was in favour of Alan Milburn continuing as chair.
It can be that people remain after a completion of set period.

This strikes me more that since the criticism of govt by the mixed political group here, it is more likely Mrs May wants a set of people,shall we say, more in the govts pocket and one not as critical.

Livia · 05-12-2017, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jaxie

This was mentioned on the news today but it was pointed out that this group was at the end of a period of service anyway and were about to be replaced. It sounded more like sour grapes resignations because they were being replaced.

Yes... it sounds like it could be that cynical. Of course there are more people on the breadline. It didn't happen yesterday, it's been building for a while and yet, this is the first I've heard from the Social Mobility Team. Why IS that? Why wait until you're at the end of your lucrative contract to speak up and then walk away? Oh... I've just answered my own question.

DemolitionRed · 05-12-2017, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Yes... it sounds like it could be that cynical. Of course there are more people on the breadline. It didn't happen yesterday, it's been building for a while and yet, this is the first I've heard from the Social Mobility Team. Why IS that? Why wait until you're at the end of your lucrative contract to speak up and then walk away? Oh... I've just answered my own question.

Really? All the analytics about education and integration were done by the tooth fairy? Without social mobility teams, we wouldn't know how to forecast any upward or downward social trends and if we couldn't forecast those trends, we couldn't fight to keep democracy.

Toy Soldier · 05-12-2017, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Really? All the analytics about education and integration were done by the tooth fairy? Without social mobility teams, we wouldn't know how to forecast any upward or downward social trends and if we couldn't forecast those trends, we couldn't fight to keep democracy.

"Social mobility shmochial shmobshmility." - a Tory, probably

Kizzy · 05-12-2017, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Really? All the analytics about education and integration were done by the tooth fairy? Without social mobility teams, we wouldn't know how to forecast any upward or downward social trends and if we couldn't forecast those trends, we couldn't fight to keep democracy.

excellent point, the poor are getting poorer... 'oh, I suppose ''corbyn'' told you that?... Nope Mays own team, for months and months and months.
But nobody gave a ****!

Beso · 05-12-2017, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

excellent point, the poor are getting poorer... 'oh, I suppose ''corbyn'' told you that?... Nope Mays own team, for months and months and months.
But nobody gave a ****!

Nobody can, labour left no money...just bills bills bills and a sarky letter.

Kizzy · 05-12-2017, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Nobody can, labour left no money...just bills bills bills and a sarky letter.

What do we have now?...

DemolitionRed · 05-12-2017, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Nobody can, labour left no money...just bills bills bills and a sarky letter.

You clearly haven't been paying attention.

DemolitionRed · 05-12-2017, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

excellent point, the poor are getting poorer... 'oh, I suppose ''corbyn'' told you that?... Nope Mays own team, for months and months and months.
But nobody gave a ****!

And now May's team are gone. First there were 10. bit by bit they were picked off. The four that were left were expected to pull all the right bells and whistles, that's why they were on short contracts and regularly had to re-apply for their position. From where I'm sitting, they reached their next re-application process and all said "**** it", we'd be of better use elsewhere.