[arista]

Originally Posted by reece(:

No this is Brexit
is stupid to compare years back


It just means loads on her party
would not allow her changed plan.

[arista]

May tells Corbyn it is 'impossible' to rule out 'no-deal' Brexit
https://news.sky.com/story/may-tells...rexit-11610101

[Withano]

Originally Posted by arista

May tells Corbyn it is 'impossible' to rule out 'no-deal' Brexit
https://news.sky.com/story/may-tells...rexit-11610101

She’s wrong and she’s dangerous.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Withano

She’s wrong and she’s dangerous.

It was on BBC1HD QT
last night.


Its a legal measure
she is correct to say she can not take it out.



There is only around 35 days or less
in parliament sittings

[Withano]

Originally Posted by arista

It was on BBC1HD QT
last night.


Its a legal measure
she is correct to say she can not take it out.



There is only around 35 days or less
in parliament sittings

No, she can postpone the deadline and she can scrap the whole thing - everybody in the world should agree that both these options are better than leaving the EU without a trade deal (but like some are stubborn). She’s effectively suggesting that the country literally suffering should remain a possibility. She is wrong and she is dangerous.

[Sticks]

Leaving without a deal will be the making of us and a new golden era of the sunny uplands of a No Deal Hard Brexit on WTO terms and a return to a hard border across Northern Ireland.

That nice man Ree-Smog told us so

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Withano

No, she can postpone the deadline and she can scrap the whole thing - everybody in the world should agree that both these options are better than leaving the EU without a trade deal (but like some are stubborn). She’s effectively suggesting that the country literally suffering should remain a possibility. She is wrong and she is dangerous.

You are Right
That is what Anand said on QT too.

He even said,if she wanted to, she could have another referendum held within 6 months.

He blew her stances right out the water.

She's the one who has procrastinated all through this process, talking to no one in depth, across Parliament or country, no one else really.

[bots]

what people seem to be missing is that there is no deal, its the conditions the EU are prepared to to business with us. We can either choose to accept those conditions or not. There never has been any negotiation since the beginning. So having a vote on it can never be about a "new" deal because it was never a deal in the first place ... we either accept it or we don't

We could hold another ref, but it would serve no useful purpose at this stage, unless it was to accept the EU conditions or not.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Withano

No, she can postpone the deadline and she can scrap the whole thing - everybody in the world should agree that both these options are better than leaving the EU without a trade deal (but like some are stubborn). She’s effectively suggesting that the country literally suffering should remain a possibility. She is wrong and she is dangerous.

Yes and upset half the Country.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You are Right
That is what Anand said on QT too.

He even said,if she wanted to, she could have another referendum held within 6 months.

He blew her stances right out the water.

She's the one who has procrastinated all through this process, talking to no one in depth, across Parliament or country, no one else really.

Thats Corrupt
you need a Plan to vote on
not "No Deal Out " or remain?


Thats why she is not doing that

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Leaving without a deal will be the making of us and a new golden era of the sunny uplands of a No Deal Hard Brexit on WTO terms and a return to a hard border across Northern Ireland.

That nice man Ree-Smog told us so

We still have to see her next plan
a sketch of it on Monday

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Both leaders are being stubborn, none more so than the PM.
Of course Labour wants an election just as all opposition Parties do.

She wanted one after just 2 years of the last one in 2015, and had one.

As for him, (and Corbyn is not my choice for leader of Labour), just appealing to his hard core support in the Labour party.
If you were right in that.
He would be leading the fight for a new public vote on brexit every day.
Because his hardcore support in the Party are screaming for just that.

He isn't, he doesn't want one.
So hardly is he just trying to appeal to his hardcore support at all within Labour.

Well that(second ref) could be his next move when he’s sure that there won’t be a GE.It was one of his many “everything’s on the table” options.
He obviously doesn’t want a deal to go through under May as he’s unwilling to add his input.
To me he is doing everything possible to be uncooperative with the government.Yes it’s his job as opposition to oppose but the people(the many) want the parties to come together and try gain some consensus to get something through to get us out of this limbo.His hardcore supporters don’t want that,They don’t want any cooperation with the government.
Imo.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well that(second ref) could be his next move when he’s sure that there won’t be a GE.It was one of his many “everything’s on the table” options.
He obviously doesn’t want a deal to go through under May as he’s unwilling to add his input.
To me he is doing everything possible to be uncooperative with the government.Yes it’s his job as opposition to oppose but the people(the many) want the parties to come together and try gain some consensus to get something through to get us out of this limbo.His hardcore supporters don’t want that,They don’t want any cooperation with the government.
Imo.

The clue is in the word opposition.
He leads opposition to the government.
He isn't there to willy nilly cooperate with it.

However, she is the one who has consulted hsrdly anyone of other Parties, except the DUP of course.

Indeed, not even listening to the other UK Nations either.

She decided to make the EU issue which was a parliamentary campaign of all Parties.
She made it a solely Conservative government one.
Excluding all others.

From the start this should have been a cross party consensus parliamentary negotiation.

She has brought us where we are, no one else.
She took over from her own brexit Ministers.
Losing 2 of them in the process.

Only she, with the extreme DUP, have the power to include or exclude from this issue.

No other Party has access to government.

She describes herself as a difficult woman.
That's not a trait good in a PM.


Good PMs need to be inclusive not divisive.
Need to listen to others and not just hear their voices.
Need to be able to appropriately compromise not block compromise.

She hasn't the will, and I doubt even the ability, to be any of those things.

[arista]

[Mrs May is expected to bring whatever plan B
comes together to parliament on Monday 21 January,]


https://news.sky.com/story/the-brexi...-next-11609854

[Sticks]

Which will be Hard Brexit with No deal. We understand that large amounts of razor wire is being sourced for the new physical Hard Border across Ulster, and we are getting ready to re-arrest all the IRA terrorists that were released under the Good Friday Agreement when it collapses due to the new hard border

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The clue is in the word opposition.
He leads opposition to the government.
He isn't there to willy nilly cooperate with it.

However, she is the one who has consulted hsrdly anyone of other Parties, except the DUP of course.

Indeed, not even listening to the other UK Nations either.

She decided to make the EU issue which was a parliamentary campaign of all Parties.
She made it a solely Conservative government one.
Excluding all others.

From the start this should have been a cross party consensus parliamentary negotiation.

She has brought us where we are, no one else.
She took over from her own brexit Ministers.
Losing 2 of them in the process.

Only she, with the extreme DUP, have the power to include or exclude from this issue.

No other Party has access to government.

She describes herself as a difficult woman.
That's not a trait good in a PM.


Good PMs need to be inclusive not divisive.
Need to listen to others and not just hear their voices.
Need to be able to appropriately compromise not block compromise.

She hasn't the will, and I doubt even the ability, to be any of those things.

Can’t argue with any of that regarding May.She has royally fecked up Brexit and she should have gone to work with the other parties much earlier for sure.
We are where we are now though with not long left and Jezza is being more difficult than May.Now isn’t the time for that.Ruling out no deal and throwing away our only bargaining chip would be a huge mistake which May knows.
The EU will come back to the table before the 29th March,The Germans are already panicking.We can’t go in with no ammo.

It seems to me that Corbyn would vote against ANY deal that the government proposed.Even if it aligned with Labours “A customs union and guaranteed workers rights” just to oppose the government and play politics.


It’s turned into Parliament vs The people with Parliament doing everything it can to overrule the people.

[reece(:]

Theresa May has left European diplomats in a state of “disbelief” following a series of phone calls to EU leaders in which she made no change to her demands despite her Brexit plan being voted down by a 230-vote margin this week.

Senior EU diplomatic sources said that Mrs May’s unchanged stance was “greeted with incredulity” following a call with the German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Thursday night.

“It was the same old story - the same set of demands - all unchanged despite the defeat,” said the source with knowledge of the calls.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ng-eu-leaders/

[arista]

Originally Posted by reece(:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ng-eu-leaders/

Yes she is going in Circles
and also
will she go live tomorrow
on one the 2 TV Live Political shows?


And say something New????????????????????

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes she is going in Circles

It's a mad world...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

It's a mad world...

From EuroNews Ch

Portugal Reassures
UK residents living in their nation
they are safe and protected
even in a No Deal solution




Yes Sticks it is mad to go round saying nearly the same deal
and Labour are not permitted to be in the single market and leave - So they are worse.

[Sticks]

And now for some music...

Youtube video

[lime]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Leaving without a deal will be the making of us and a new golden era of the sunny uplands of a No Deal Hard Brexit on WTO terms and a return to a hard border across Northern Ireland.

That nice man Ree-Smog told us so

hope this is sarcasim

[Niamh.]

Car bomb just went off in Derry, I hope this isn't the start of something

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Car bomb just went off in Derry, I hope this isn't the start of something

Read this after a notification popped up and thought the exact same thing.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Car bomb just went off in Derry, I hope this isn't the start of something

[Suspected car bomb explodes outside Derry/Londonderry court house]




A message for Brexit?
Police must get the truth


Suspected car bomb
explodes outside Derry/Londonderry court house.
https://news.sky.com/story/suspected...house-11612320

Update: 2 men arrested
they took a pizza delivery vehicle