[Omah]

Originally Posted by Salman!

The man who says Jimmy went to India to sexually abuse children...why the **** is he telling the police 8 years later, or am I missing something out?

He told the police in 2004, the incident has come to light in this year, 2012.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Omah

He told the police in 2004, the incident has come to light in this year, 2012.

Ohh I read it wrong

[MTVN]

I bet it'll have reached 250 by the end of next week

[Nedusa]

This story is becoming a bit ridiculous now, I mean where would he have found the time to molest so many women/girls, over a hundred victims and rising more coming out of the woodwork with each passing day. I shudder to think how many more victims will come forward in the coming weeks, could top the 1,000 mark. Now I see why he had to run all those marathons to keep his fitness levels high due to the demands of his molesting activities.

This story is descending into parody.......

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

One incident doesn't set the norm, You'd be foolish to trust the rags more then you would the police. If we're talking about royal **** ups then the Media has a lot more to answer for then the police.

I don't disagree. I simply pointed out that the police are not beyond lying and fabricating the truth, tampering with evidence when it suits their own purpose.

Originally Posted by Nedusa

This story is becoming a bit ridiculous now, I mean where would he have found the time to molest so many women/girls, over a hundred victims and rising more coming out of the woodwork with each passing day. I shudder to think how many more victims will come forward in the coming weeks, could top the 1,000 mark. Now I see why he had to run all those marathons to keep his fitness levels high due to the demands of his molesting activities.

This story is descending into parody.......

The higher the number grows, the more I have a tendency to think this is a prime example of people jumping on the bandwagon - and if there is any truth to 'real victims' and that may be the case that there are genuine folk out there - all this will do is weaken their positions - I find it hard to believe that so many people kept their mouths shut for decades, when they would have , long have reached adulthood and have been in a position to take action years ago, but didn't.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

This story is becoming a bit ridiculous now, I mean where would he have found the time to molest so many women/girls, over a hundred victims and rising more coming out of the woodwork with each passing day.

Just a couple of "attacks" a week for a year adds up to a hundred .....

[cassieparis]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

This story is becoming a bit ridiculous now, I mean where would he have found the time to molest so many women/girls, over a hundred victims and rising more coming out of the woodwork with each passing day. I shudder to think how many more victims will come forward in the coming weeks, could top the 1,000 mark. Now I see why he had to run all those marathons to keep his fitness levels high due to the demands of his molesting activities.

This story is descending into parody.......

Paedophiles can be prolific in their activities simply due to the general public's inability to believe child molesters typically and notably have exceptional quantities of gall. Confessed and long uncaught paedophiles will sometimes admit that their victims run into the hundreds.
1 radio one roadshow alone could generate a large number of incidents. Jimmy Saville worked at many.
A couple of visits to Haut de la Garrenne and to Duncroft Approved School could have also provided a number of attacks. Jimmy Saville was a regular visitor to these places of protection and his attendance is corrobarated.
Hundreds of visits to children's wards over decades and decades could as well provided the same "opportunities" Jimmy Saville made thousands of these visits. Years and years of inviting young girls to his dressing rooms which is again corroborated could have provided him with further chances to molest
Paedophiles get away with it precisely because of the disbelief that they could have been so prolific 1000 victims over 40 years would mean attacking 2 children a month.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by cassieparis

Paedophiles can be prolific in their activities simply due to the general public's inability to believe child molesters typically and notably have exceptional quantities of gall. Confessed and long uncaught paedophiles will sometimes admit that their victims run into the hundreds.
1 radio one roadshow alone could generate a large number of incidents. Jimmy Saville worked at many.
A couple of visits to Haut de la Garrenne and to Duncroft Approved School could have also provided a number of attacks. Jimmy Saville was a regular visitor to these places of protection and his attendance is corrobarated.
Hundreds of visits to children's wards over decades and decades could as well provided the same "opportunities" Jimmy Saville made thousands of these visits. Years and years of inviting young girls to his dressing rooms which is again corroborated could have provided him with further chances to molest
Paedophiles get away with it precisely because of the disbelief that they could have been so prolific 1000 victims over 40 years would mean attacking 2 children a month.

No no no I simply don't buy it ... Some of his alleged victims may have put up with his advances because of who he was but not all and considering the sheer numbers involved some of them would certainly have complained and once a few complaints had been received, the Police would have been duty bound to investigate regardless of his celebrity.

As I said earlier this story is starting to stretch credulity to its limits....!!!

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

No no no I simply don't buy it ... Some of his alleged victims may have put up with his advances because of who he was but not all and considering the sheer numbers involved some of them would certainly have complained and once a few complaints had been received, the Police would have been duty bound to investigate regardless of his celebrity.

As I said earlier this story is starting to stretch credulity to its limits....!!!

My thoughts exactly: but put over far more eloquently by you !

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

some of them would certainly have complained and once a few complaints had been received, the Police would have been duty bound to investigate regardless of his celebrity.

Some of them did complain - the trouble is, back in those days, the police were (mostly) a rule unto themselves and corrupt into the bargain - "duty bound" was a phrase long passed into oblivion along with "Dixon of Dock Green" and "fair cop, guv" ..... freemasonry and funny handshakes were the order of the day - "fit-ups" were standard procedure to reduce crime-rates .....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by cassieparis

Paedophiles can be prolific in their activities simply due to the general public's inability to believe child molesters typically and notably have exceptional quantities of gall. Confessed and long uncaught paedophiles will sometimes admit that their victims run into the hundreds.
1 radio one roadshow alone could generate a large number of incidents. Jimmy Saville worked at many.
A couple of visits to Haut de la Garrenne and to Duncroft Approved School could have also provided a number of attacks. Jimmy Saville was a regular visitor to these places of protection and his attendance is corrobarated.
Hundreds of visits to children's wards over decades and decades could as well provided the same "opportunities" Jimmy Saville made thousands of these visits. Years and years of inviting young girls to his dressing rooms which is again corroborated could have provided him with further chances to molest
Paedophiles get away with it precisely because of the disbelief that they could have been so prolific 1000 victims over 40 years would mean attacking 2 children a month.

Are you seriously trying to state that the 'new' figure of hundreds (pending, thousands) of 'children' who have been adults for decades: that they ALL managed to keep this to themselves for several decades.

I find that very difficult to believe to be perfectly honest with you - given that some of these adults may be in the very professions that would allow them to bring this to the public domain and to raise the allegations many many years ago.

Nah: I'm not buying this 'en masse' abuse. Not saying something didn't go on - but the higher the figures rise: the less they ALL kept schtoom for decades - the less I'm inclined to believe.

[cassieparis]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Are you seriously trying to state that the 'new' figure of hundreds (pending, thousands) of 'children' who have been adults for decades: that they ALL managed to keep this to themselves for several decades.

I find that very difficult to believe to be perfectly honest with you - given that some of these adults may be in the very professions that would allow them to bring this to the public domain and to raise the allegations many many years ago.

Nah: I'm not buying this 'en masse' abuse. Not saying something didn't go on - but the higher the figures rise: the less they ALL kept schtoom for decades - the less I'm inclined to believe.

Just because their abuse wasn't general knowledge doesn't mean that these women (and interestingly many men who will not come forward) didn't tell anyone.
His name and the names of others connected to him have been recalled continuously over the decades. His victims have been telling people in positions of power for many many years. Some who have known of these accusations have avoided him some have dismissed him and made jokes about his activities. Jimmy Saville remained notorious amongst Social Service and child protection circles for decades because his name just kept cropping up time and time again. There is a vast difference between keeping schtoom and being silenced by dismissal and an air of the crimes committed against them being utterly and completely inconsequential and perhaps fantasy.

I am not saying that his victims were silent on a personal level. Although victims of abuse are often encourage by skeptics abuse deniers and disbelievers to shut up. Particularly if those in power who knew of the accusations did nothing to protect future victims.

I am saying that few people did anything about it and in some cases covered it up at the level of media and press. Silencing these victims at this level.

Now that Jimmy Saville and those he pimped for are dead his victims are being encouraged at a media level to speak up. There are few left of any consequence to prosecute. How convenient.
This type of crime will happen time and time again and children won't tell because it's their word against their cunning adult abuser. It's just easier to say your piece when their dead and can't hurt you anymore.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by cassieparis

Just because their abuse wasn't general knowledge doesn't mean that these women (and interestingly many men who will not come forward) didn't tell anyone.
His name and the names of others connected to him have been recalled continuously over the decades. His victims have been telling people in positions of power for many many years. Some who have known of these accusations have avoided him some have dismissed him and made jokes about his activities. Jimmy Saville remained notorious amongst Social Service and child protection circles for decades because his name just kept cropping up time and time again. There is a vast difference between keeping schtoom and being silenced by dismissal and an air of the crimes committed against them being utterly and completely inconsequential and perhaps fantasy.

I am not saying that his victims were silent on a personal level. Although victims of abuse are often encourage by skeptics abuse deniers and disbelievers to shut up. Particularly if those in power who knew of the accusations did nothing to protect future victims.

I am saying that few people did anything about it and in some cases covered it up at the level of media and press. Silencing these victims at this level.

Now that Jimmy Saville and those he pimped for are dead his victims are being encouraged at a media level to speak up. There are few left of any consequence to prosecute. How convenient.
This type of crime will happen time and time again and children won't tell because it's their word against their cunning adult abuser. It's just easier to say your piece when their dead and can't hurt you anymore.

Nah. still don't 'buy it'.

Perhaps the reason all these folk kept 'schtoom'.... was because their were PAID to keep schtoom.......... stranger things have happened in life. and it is SO VERY EASY to lay the blame on one party, having cashed the cheque, having banked the money: when the offending party is dead, making food for the worms and cannot defend themselves.


If those that were abused felt to bad about it: why keep their mouths shut unti the man died? Possibly: just possibly: becuase they were paid to keep their mouths shut, but Mr JS isn't here to prove that?


there's a little thought for you....................

[joeysteele]

This is really either very serious or farcical now. I still at this point lean more and more to the latter.

[Omah]

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...#ixzz28bZopRko

Prime Minister David Cameron has called for allegations of sexual abuse against former DJ Sir Jimmy Savile to be fully investigated.

Mr Cameron said that the claims from a number of women which have emerged over recent weeks that they were abused by Savile as teenagers were "truly shocking".

And he said that the allegations should be looked into by the BBC - which employed Savile at the time - and, if necessary, by the police.

Mr Cameron told BBC1's Andrew Marr Show: "I think it is pretty shocking, the allegations that we are reading. They need to be properly looked at, properly investigated.

Bandwagon for Cameron .....

[thesheriff443]

if found out to be true each person that makes an alligation would be due compensation.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

if found out to be true each person that makes an alligation would be due compensation.

If thats the case count me in!

"Saville tickled my dinkle"

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by bobnot

If thats the case count me in!

"Saville tickled my dinkle"

I'm getting the feeling here that if the man so much as 'looked at them', some of these 'alleged abused' will now have exaggerated that in their own minds to having far worse.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I'm getting the feeling here that if the man so much as 'looked at them', some of these 'alleged abused' will now have exaggerated that in their own minds to having far worse.

Im not sure what can come of it.
It worrys me to a degree that serious implications now seem to be treated the same as the gossip columns by some people. There are some that seem to revel in these stories like its a feature in ok magazine.

The whole way some people seem excited by this story really creeps me out.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Im not sure what can come of it.
It worrys me to a degree that serious implications now seem to be treated the same as the gossip columns by some people. There are some that seem to revel in these stories like its a feature in ok magazine.

The whole way some people seem excited by this story really creeps me out.

I concur.

[Omah]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz28cJodIEf

In 1992, Professor Anthony Clare also tried to get behind the mask, interviewing Jimmy for his In The Psychiatrist’s Chair series on Radio  4. They discussed his emotionally and materially deprived upbringing – as the unwanted, youngest child of seven – and why he had remained so determined not to show or share his feelings.

But Jimmy simply refused to lay his psyche bare, feinting and ducking and, when all else failed, shutting up shop entirely.

‘There is something chilling about this 20th Century “saint’’ which still intrigues me to this day,’ concluded Britain’s best-known psychiatrist at the end of a particularly prickly encounter.

TWENTY YEARS ago, the Prof would have been one of the few who could see in the kingdom of the blind .....

[Omah]

http://www.theweek.co.uk/people-news...#ixzz28cT8Zk7T

Savile might have molested young girls while recording radio broadcasts of his show Savile’s Travels, according to The Sunday Telegraph. The paper has heard the tapes, which date back to 1975. In one, a girl can be heard screaming as Savile tells her: “Watch how I operate… I better play a record with the other hand.”

On its' own, such a recording may be "innocent", but, taken along with others (e.g. "get off my backside"), it seems very sinister and sleazy .....

[Omah]

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/t...#ixzz28cUtyg3j

METROPOLITAN Police detectives investigating allegations of sexual abuse by the late Sir Jimmy Savile have been contacted by two victims in the Midlands.

It is understood that the two people claim they were abused by the TV star, and contacted their local police forces in the West Midlands and Staffordshire.

The two forces then passed their details on to the London cops who are leading the investigation.

That must be about 8 police forces involved now !

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

100 victims?! Wow, Saville was a busy man.

[cassieparis]

I still don't get what Pyramid is saying.
Someone paid an alleged victim of child abuse or an exploitative accuser (who was never touched) money to never say the name of JS? ...and now these people want to be paid again?