[Brillopad]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sh-dishes.html

I don't really see the issue here. I feel it is a cultural thing with the mother specifically objecting to her son having to wash dishes. I doubt she would have had the same issues if it had been her daughter.

If so, we cannot condone cultural sexism and double standards like this in British schools.

[VanessaFeltz.]

the issue in this topic is not about a boy washing dishes as a punishment, it is about a 12 year old CHILDREN washing dishes. I am with the mom on this one, i dont know how the boy behaved in school but i dont think washing dishes for weeks is a good punishment.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by VanessaFeltz.

the issue in this topic is not about a boy washing dishes as a punishment, it is about a 12 year old CHILDREN washing dishes. I am with the mom on this one, i dont know how the boy behaved in school but i dont think washing dishes for weeks is a good punishment.

Fair enough - but I still feel that a large part of her outrage was about her son being expected to do 'women's work'.

[Kizzy]

Nothing to do with his gender or culture, it's simply not a fitting punishment. It is more likely to be a cost cutting exercise you don't have to employ a pot washer if you can get the students to do it.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nothing to do with his gender or culture, it's simply not a fitting punishment. It is more likely to be a cost cutting exercise you don't have to employ a pot washer if you can get the students to do it.

Yup agree with this

[smudgie]

Looks like it is a last resort.
If the little darling can't behave and his mother whinges about his punishment then throw him out.
Washing pots is hardly ruddy slavery, and the thought that it is a cost saving exercise on the schools behalf is laughable

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Looks like it is a last resort.
If the little darling can't behave and his mother whinges about his punishment then throw him out.
Washing pots is hardly ruddy slavery, and the thought that it is a cost saving exercise on the schools behalf is laughable

I agree smudgie. I don't think it is an unreasonable punishment, probably preferable to detention and keeping them after school. I can't help feeling that both the son and the mother felt aggrieved he was being expected to do what is 'expected' of women.

If the majority of parents are ok with it then I think the mother should accept it or be asked to move her son elsewhere.

[user104658]

Brillo there is absolutely nothing in that article that suggests that this is a cultural issue and that "she would have been fine with it if it was a girl". This is an assumption that you are making PURELY based on their name and appearance. Honestly, your prejudice grows by the day it seems.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Brillo there is absolutely nothing in that article that suggests that this is a cultural issue and that "she would have been fine with it if it was a girl". This is an assumption that you are making PURELY based on their name and appearance. Honestly, your prejudice grows by the day it seems.

It's easy to throw that allegation about in cases like this - but have you heard anyone else complain about this. Of course I could be wrong, but her OTT reaction suggests otherwise. Which is why I said if the majority of parents are okay with it, then clearly the problem lies with her and her son.

If other parents do object and they are all of the same culture what message would that give out in your opinion then.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It's easy to throw that allegation about in cases like this - but have you heard anyone else complain about this. Of course I could be wrong, but her OTT reaction suggests otherwise. Which is why I said if the majority of parents are okay with it, then clearly the problem lies with her and her son.

If other parents do object and they are all of the same culture what message would that give out in your opinion then.

Where in the article does it say that other parents all of the same culture also object or that no one of other cultures objects?

In fact, where does the article say anything g about her culture AT ALL?

All of this is pure guesswork based on your prejudice after reading a name and seeing a picture.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Where in the article does it say that other parents all of the same culture also object or that no one of other cultures objects?

In fact, where does the article say anything g about her culture AT ALL?

All of this is pure guesswork based on your prejudice after reading a name and seeing a picture.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Where in the article does it say that other parents all of the same culture also object or that no one of other cultures objects?

In fact, where does the article say anything g about her culture AT ALL?

All of this is pure guesswork based on your prejudice after reading a name and seeing a picture.

I said If because we don't know. The woman thinks her son's human rights have been violated for washing up as a punishment for bad behaviour for heaven's sake. If that's not OTT I don't know what is. It sounds like someone with an agenda to me.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I said If because we don't know. The woman thinks her son's human rights have been violated for washing up as a punishment for bad behaviour for heaven's sake. If that's not OTT I don't know what is. It sounds like someone with an agenda to me.

Yes, exactly, we don't know, we have absolutely no idea, but you have made "confident" guesses at her reasoning based on her name and her sons appearance.

You then went on to try to justify it by guessing that there might be hypothetical other people with the same hypothetical culture who would probably feel the same way, you think, based on pretty much nothing at all.

That is the definition of prejudice.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Where in the article does it say that other parents all of the same culture also object or that no one of other cultures objects?

In fact, where does the article say anything g about her culture AT ALL?

All of this is pure guesswork based on your prejudice after reading a name and seeing a picture.

This is all true

[Kizzy]

You have no knowledge of how other parents feel about it, I wonder how the pot washer feels about is?.... They're out of a job due to these pesky meddling kids

[Northern Monkey]

My school once made me file piles of paperwork for a punishment.I would've loved to have done some washing up instead

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

My school once made me file piles of paperwork for a punishment.I would've loved to have done some washing up instead

haha! me too

[jaxie]

In my experience having worked in schools in the past, I think parents in general can be in denial about their children's bad behaviour. It's never the fault of my little darling and this in turn is often why that little darling is a problem.

Washing pots is hardly going to do him any harm, clearly the mother needs a reality check.

[Tom4784]

Chores as punishments are pointless, detentions should provide a chance to learn or study. Getting someone to wash dishes does nothing for their education.

[Tom4784]

Also there's no mention of the family's religion so Brillo seems to be making assumptions based on race rather than actual facts.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Also there's no mention of the family's religion so Brillo seems to be making assumptions based on race rather than actual facts.

Race and culture are two different things - you do understand that don't you.

People do not have to approve or certain practices common to certain cultures and religions. Race has f all to do with it.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Race and culture are two different things - you do understand that don't you.

People do not have to approve or certain practices common to certain cultures and religions. Race has f all to do with it.

You said this, did you not?

Originally Posted by Brillopad

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sh-dishes.html

I don't really see the issue here. I feel it is a cultural thing with the mother specifically objecting to her son having to wash dishes. I doubt she would have had the same issues if it had been her daughter.

If so, we cannot condone cultural sexism and double standards like this in British schools.

You saw a name and brown skin and you made assumptions and cast aspersions on them based purely on that. As TS said, that is racial prejudice and no amount of backpedellaing and changing of the goalposts is going to change that.

[Withano]

Point is Brillo, you looked at photograph of them, and their names, and you assumed that you were against their culture and/or religion.

[Brother Leon]

Why is it a cultural thing? My mum is white and she would have flipped if I came home at 12 years old and told her I was doing the washing up for my school. They have staff to do that so just give the kid detention and lines.

[lostalex]

unfortunately this woman and her delinquent son fuel more racism.