[Tom4784]

Chores as punishments are pointless, detentions should provide a chance to learn or study. Getting someone to wash dishes does nothing for their education.

[Tom4784]

Also there's no mention of the family's religion so Brillo seems to be making assumptions based on race rather than actual facts.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Also there's no mention of the family's religion so Brillo seems to be making assumptions based on race rather than actual facts.

Race and culture are two different things - you do understand that don't you.

People do not have to approve or certain practices common to certain cultures and religions. Race has f all to do with it.

[Withano]

Point is Brillo, you looked at photograph of them, and their names, and you assumed that you were against their culture and/or religion.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It was a nice way of avoiding answering my original question, I asked you a hypothetical question as to if it came to light that several other parents objected, all of the same culture, what your views on that would be. Would you not see an agenda.

But that hasn't happened so your question is utterly bizarre! "Aha but if their skin peeled off revealing a scaly hide and tail, might you not then agree that they be lizard folk?"

If there is an agenda it would not be so unreasonable to suggest that the fact that it was A boy and not a girl at the centre of her grievance may have had something to do with her OTT reaction. If so that would be sexist.

Guesswork. Not even a guess with anythibg at all behind it to make it a reasonable one... It is a straight up guess pure and simple. You have absolutely no idea whether or not the reaction would have been the same had it been a girl rather than a boy. In the absense of such evidence it's only reasonable to assume that her reaction would have been exactly the same.

Btw this may potentially have something to do with culture, but where does race come into it. Race and culture are not mutually exclusive. It just sounds like another excuse to undermine my opinions by calling me racist. Bored with it now.

Because you have no idea what their culture is. You have assumed that you do based on the name of the mother and the colour of the boy in the pictures skin. There is not one further word about their religion, culture, country of origin, how many generations in the country. Nothing. At all. There's the story, a name and a picture and you have made all sorts of guesses and assumptions based on those three details. And now YOU are saying that religion and culture has nothing to do with race. Correct! That is what everyone else is telling g you! You are the one assuming that you know about their culture, and their motivations, and their likelihood of being sexist, based on nothing but their race! That is racial prejudice. Pure and simple.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I have every right not to feel supportive of cultures that support sexism whatever race that culture may be. It has bugger all to do with race and if a culture blatantly indulges in sexism they should be called out on it. To imply people can't do so without be called bull**** names is PC intimidation.

Honestly talk about hypocrisy.

You need to calm down and stop continually depicting these people as arch-villains. Have you heard of 'cultural racism'? its a real thing. Every time you spout off about Muslims, what you're doing, subconsciously or not, is saying "Western = civilized” and “Islamic = uncivilized.”

As Craig Considine so rightly said, "Racism is changing in its form, but the beast is still very much alive and well."

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Race and culture are two different things - you do understand that don't you.

People do not have to approve or certain practices common to certain cultures and religions. Race has f all to do with it.

You said this, did you not?

Originally Posted by Brillopad

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sh-dishes.html

I don't really see the issue here. I feel it is a cultural thing with the mother specifically objecting to her son having to wash dishes. I doubt she would have had the same issues if it had been her daughter.

If so, we cannot condone cultural sexism and double standards like this in British schools.

You saw a name and brown skin and you made assumptions and cast aspersions on them based purely on that. As TS said, that is racial prejudice and no amount of backpedellaing and changing of the goalposts is going to change that.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You need to calm down and stop continually depicting these people as arch-villains. Have you heard of 'cultural racism'? its a real thing. Every time you spout off about Muslims, what you're doing, subconsciously or not, is saying "Western = civilized” and “Islamic = uncivilized.”

As Craig Considine so rightly said, "Racism is changing in its form, but the beast is still very much alive and well."

Oh more names to beat people with. More PC intimidation. What progress. I'd say the ISIS beast is thriving better than any of us.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Oh more names to beat people with. More PC intimidation. What progress. I'd say the ISIS beast is thriving better than any of us.

"Mother doesn't want son to wash dishes"

Brillo: "ISIS IS THRIVING!!!"

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Oh more names to beat people with. More PC intimidation. What progress. I'd say the ISIS beast is thriving better than any of us.

You beat on Muslims all the time! Its not PC intimidation, its just compassion for my fellow beings, something you greatly lack.

ISIS want people like you. They want nothing more than to cause a divide. What you have done is fallen for their agenda.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You beat on Muslims all the time! Its not PC intimidation, its just compassion for my fellow beings, something you greatly lack.

ISIS want people like you. They want nothing more than to cause a divide. What you have done is fallen for their agenda.

Are you an expert on ISIS - you seem to think you know them well. I don't agree with you on that and am not going to accept your words as fact because as far as I can see it is simply opinion. If you have more than opinion - be my guest - fire away.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Mother doesn't want son to wash dishes"

Brillo: "ISIS IS THRIVING!!!"

[Brother Leon]

Why is it a cultural thing? My mum is white and she would have flipped if I came home at 12 years old and told her I was doing the washing up for my school. They have staff to do that so just give the kid detention and lines.

[lostalex]

unfortunately this woman and her delinquent son fuel more racism.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

unfortunately this woman and her delinquent son fuel more racism.

*Racists fuel racism

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

*Racists fuel racism

Minorities who validate stereotypes definitely contribute to and fuel racism.

Unfortunately most stereotypes and prejudices are built on a small foundation of truth.

only those specific minorities can dismantle that foundation of truth that props up harmful stereotypes.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Minorities who validate stereotypes definitely contribute to and fuel racism.

Unfortunately most stereotypes and prejudices are built on a foundation of truth.

only those specific minorities can dismantle that foundation of truth that props up harmful stereotypes.

So you're now blaming minorities for racism? Really?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So you're now blaming minorities for racism? Really?

NO, i'm saying it's harmful to minorities when they validate stereotypes.

[Cal.]

He shouldn't have been a naughty twat then should he. Silly boy. His mum is just looking for attention. There's children dying in the world and she's moaning her tits off about her son having to wash a few dishes for misbehaviour.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

NO, i'm saying it's harmful to minorities when they validate stereotypes.

You know what's racist, is people assuming the mother in this story wouldn't have minded if it were her daughter in the same situation based on the colour of her skin. That's racist and that's the problem.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You know what's racist, is people assuming the mother in this story wouldn't have minded if it were her daughter in the same situation based on the colour of her skin. That's racist and that's the problem.

Unfortunately it's not racist. one because muslim is not a race, and two because it's actually true that muslims are more sexist and more conservative than non-muslims.

It's not racist if it's a fact. and it's not racist if it's not a race.

just like it's not sexist if you assume a serial killer is male. men are more likely to be serial killers.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Unfortunately it's not racist. one because muslim is not a race, and two because it's actually true that muslims are more sexist and more conservative than non-muslims.

It's not racist if it's a fact. and it's not racist if it's not a race.

You're the one who brought race into it in the very first post that i quoted of yours So you better tell yourself that, eh?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You're the one who brought race into it in the very first post that i quoted of yours So you better tell yourself that, eh?

i would, but i know i have you to remind me.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i would, but i know i have you to remind me.

Always here to help

[user104658]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Unfortunately it's not racist. one because muslim is not a race, and two because it's actually true that muslims are more sexist and more conservative than non-muslims.

It's not racist if it's a fact. and it's not racist if it's not a race.

just like it's not sexist if you assume a serial killer is male. men are more likely to be serial killers.

How about you quote the part of the article that states that they are Muslim.

Oh hmmmm it DOESN'T. People have assumed that based on their race and name. But wait a second... you have just said yourself that "muslim is not a race"... ... ... how baffling that so many people seem to know for certain that they are Muslim.